Miscellaneous: Dracoliche loot table post-revamp

[Kirdan]

Using evidence collected by Rygar in this post:
https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=292981

I don't have data for p99 blue, but on p99 green we have seen post-revamp dracoliche dropping items from his entire pre-revamp loot table in addition to his post-revamp loot table.

Pre-revamp:

Bone Razor
Spined Dragon Claws
Staff of Undead Legions
Withered Totem of Widdershins
Monsoon, Sword of the Swiftwind
Bone-Clasped Girdle

Post-revamp:

Crimson Robe of Alendine (moved from CT's table)
Grotesque Girdle
Zombie Flesh Bracer
Shawl of Protection
Fearsome Shield
Berserkers Ring

Evidence suggests that post-revamp dracoliche should only drop post-revamp loot:

https://web.archive.org/web/20010405...monium.net:80/

March 16, 2001
Keeled Draco yesterday for a belt (dego) and shoulders (jibekn).

https://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/...98510317874376

Mar 20 2001
When we killed him he dropped the Crimson Robe of Alendine as well as my Fearsome Shield

https://web.archive.org/web/20010405...monium.net:80/

March 21, 2001
Grats to Gelron on Dracoshield, Goriana on Zombie Flesh Bracer.

https://web.archive.org/web/20030205.../03-23-01.html

Dracoliche had one of those fearsome shield thingies for Honch. ... -Jentaii [03.23.2001]

https://web.archive.org/web/20010405...monium.net:80/

March 29, 2001
Dracoliche put out a shield (Sylk) and a belt (Thezeus).

https://web.archive.org/web/20010405...monium.net:80/

March 31, 2001
Draco gave us a Shield of the Fearsome for Brenor and a Zombie Flesh Bracer for Payce.

https://legacyofsteel.net/archive/2001-03-31

Draco dropped some nice stuff too. The Zombie bracer went to Necrath. And Riell was awarded the ownage belt, the first we've seen on one of our raids: https://legacyofsteel.net/static/e40...uegirdle-1.jpg

https://web.archive.org/web/20020603...s.html?month=1

March 31, 2001
Dracoliche fell which had a Fearsome Shield (Brael) and a Zombie Bracer(Mezmur).

https://web.archive.org/web/20010405...monium.net:80/

April 4, 2001
Berserker Ring (Nenja!) and a Fearsome shield (Pchan) from the Draco.

https://legacyofsteel.net/archive/2001-04-05

Draco dropped the shield which Barny got and the bracer which Gandalfina is now wearing.

https://web.archive.org/web/20010418...monium.net:80/

April 12, 2001
Draco dropped a Berserker's Ring for Gelron and a Fearsome shield for Jhihad.

https://web.archive.org/web/20010418...monium.net:80/

April 18, 2001
we got draco twice for 2 bracers (Illiam? and myself)and a Belt (Flintnilf).

https://legacyofsteel.net/archive/2001-04-21

Draco dropped a CROA and a Zombie Bracer

https://web.archive.org/web/20020206...ws.cgi?newsall

April 18, 2001
Verant also supplied 2 Dracho's for us. ... Dracho supplied 3 bracers, grats Booosh, Krea, and Lilu. POS Belt was awarded to Gris.

https://web.archive.org/web/20010405...ite/index.html

24-04-2001
-- Dracoliche --
Crimson Robe of Alendine : Fazzar
Zombie Flesh Bracer : Maru

https://web.archive.org/web/20010515...e-hand.net:80/

25/4/2001
Draco Dropd 2 CRoA's.

https://web.archive.org/web/20020612...ews.php?nid=11

23 May, 2001
First we dispatched Draco, who for one of the first times (maybe the first i'm not too sure) coughed up the uber caster belt for us. Stats were 8 ac 10 int/wis 100 mana/hp if I remember correctly.

https://web.archive.org/web/20020617...ews.php?nid=25

6 June, 2001
Grats to Sumoner on his new Grotesque Girlde from Dracoliche.

https://web.archive.org/web/20020429...ews.php?nid=33

13 June, 2001
Draco dropped 2 of those boneclasped-on-steroid belts

https://web.archive.org/web/20020603...s.html?month=4

June 20, 2001
Draco's Belt (Trojena), Draco's Shield (Wong)

https://web.archive.org/web/20020618...ews.php?nid=44

24 June, 2001
Grats to Jinpo on the grotesque girdle, and to Sumoner on the zombie bracer.

https://web.archive.org/web/20010630...monium.net:80/

6/27/2001
Bracer of Zombie Flesh for Dego...

https://web.archive.org/web/20020603...s.html?month=4

June 28, 2001
from Dracho: Shield (Iustus) and Bracer (Safron)

https://web.archive.org/web/20020412...s.html?month=5

July 18, 2001
Draco dropped 2 shields

https://web.archive.org/web/20020412...s.html?month=5

July 25, 2001
Draco coughed up a Shield (Thorran) and Bracer (Voltari).

https://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/...99665654844179

Aug 01 2001
Girdle dropped and fearsome shield dropped also.

https://web.archive.org/web/20020105...august2001.htm

Aug 15th-
Twinskey on his nice new shield and Misi on her Crimson Robe of the Adaline.

https://web.archive.org/web/20020603...s.html?month=6

August 16, 2001
Then off to PoF (got Draco 2 days in a row):
Belts - Visuo, Elthan
Robe - Banked
Shield - Grumbel
BCGs - Khala, Tzeen
Halo - Graape
Choker - Zayahoue

https://web.archive.org/web/20020603...s.html?month=6

August 30, 2001
Loots from Draco: Belts (Drathar, Timmay).

https://web.archive.org/web/20020612...s.html?month=7

September 6, 2001
Draco Dead (Shield - Ulthane, Belt - Penarien)

https://web.archive.org/web/20120716...ctober2001.php

Octobre 5th, 2001
A little something we picked up during our PoF clearing before CT... https://web.archive.org/web/20120716...2001/shawl.gif

https://web.archive.org/web/20020615...s.html?month=9

November 4, 2001
Draco Belt (Rycar), Draco Bracer (Blaque)

https://web.archive.org/web/20011127...estiny.net:80/

November 21, 2001
The loot...

- Fearsome Shield, AC40 +15str +15sta +15vsDisease +15vsPoison, Effect: Aura of Battle -- Rhonwyn

- Zombie Flesh Bracer, AC6 +5int +65hp +65mana, Effect: Breath of the Dead -- Aktar

https://web.archive.org/web/20020809...0/archive.html

11-27-2001
Draco dropped CROA and bracer (Shnotz).

https://web.archive.org/web/20011130...averen.com:80/

11/28/2001
Dracoliche
Congratulation to Velimos on:
https://web.archive.org/web/20011201...someshield.gif

Congratulation to Salidar on Berserker`s ring.

I think it is reasonable to assume that the belt drops are all Grotesque Girdles. BCG is only mentioned twice in all of those kills: once as a tongue-in-cheek way of describing Grotesque Girdle as being an upgraded version of BCG "boneclasped-on-steroid belts", and once when describing the entire loot haul from a PoF clear where they also listed other belts "Belts - Visuo, Elthan ... BCGs - Khala, Tzeen". Clearly the BCGs dropped from golems in that case.

What stands out is that you don't see any mention of pre-revamp dracoliche loot coming from post-revamp dracoliche kills, which is very different from our experience on p99 green.

[Brocode]

on blue hes also dropping pre revamp, if true nice find.

examples:
05/04/21 04:28:44 AM 'Nilitim's Grimoire Pg. 415, Fearsome Shield, Spined Dragon Claws'
05/29/21 01:13:32 AM ', Staff of Undead Legions, Bone Razor, Bone-Clasped Girdle'
08/06/21 04:20:01 AM 'Rune of the Astral, Jacinth, Spined Dragon Claws, Zombie Flesh Bracer'

[-Catherin-]

Going to be the Debbie Downer here, sorry >.<

When a new loot table is added, people are going to be talking about the new loot and when they get it, not the old loot. So someone posting that they got a piece of the new loot does not mean the old loot is gone.

More telling is that Zam still shows the old loot is part of the Draco loot table. I'm pretty sure they wouldnt have removed the old loot, just to re-add it later on.

[doormat00]

Isn't he also supposed to drop the Necro pet focus book?

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Kirdan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Giant Wall of Evidence

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Disagreement with no evidence

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[-Catherin-]

I'm aware I have no evidence lol. I'm just pointing out if something drops it doesn't mean other items ceased to exist, and that Zam still shows the old loot.

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[-Catherin-]

Looking at posts on the actual pieces of loot on ZAM I havn't really been able to find mentions of them dropping off of anything other than the golems as well btw. Just possible info supporting the OP

https://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=320

[Ennewi]

https://web.archive.org/web/20020827144909/http://www.everlore.com/bestiary

Beast Name: Dracoliche
Location:Plane of Fear
Known Level Range: 58 / 58
Quest Related: No
Magic Caster: No
Faction Hits:
Loot: Grotesque Girdle, Berserkers Ring, Zombie Flesh Bracer
Description
A newly buffed mob as of March 14, 2001 when the Planes got an upgrade. Grats on Defenders of Akanon and Silvan Rangers to be the first of any on Fennin Ro to slay this beast!
Submitted by: Keaadas

Submited by: Anonymous On: 11/26/2001 8:39:23 AM
On 11-25-01 we pulled Draco along with a few adds we started with about 37-40ppl lvls 45-60 well after about 10mins we had him down to 10%health and at 11mins we all were dead lol
after getting rezzes and gathering again buffing up we pulled him one more time
this time we owned his punkass in less then 10mins we dropped him we very casualties he dropped the ring and the wrist band thing. this guy is very hard but not impossible just takes cooridination and determination.

https://web.archive.org/web/20020827144923/http://www.everlore.com/bestiary/

Submited by: Keystone On: 3/15/2001 10:24:18 AM
We killed this guy on BB last night after the fear upgrade patch... . he's a hella lot tougher than he used to be. . somewhere in the neighborhood of 100khp i'm guessing. anyway he ended up dropping 2 crymson robe's of allendine, and a zombie bracer (ac6 int5 65hp 65mana effect: breath of the dead *low lvl necro enduring breath spell* int caster wearable)

Keystone

[Kirdan]

Catherin's point is not lost on me, I considered it as well. However, I think that we would be able to find some evidence of post-revamp draco dropping pre-revamp loot if it was happening back then. Some guilds used those posts as a way to brag about new loot, others as a way to brag about kills more than the loot, and others still used it as a record of all their drops.

Given how often we see pre-revamp loot from post-revamp draco on p99, it is hard for me to believe that all of the kills I posted as evidence just coincidentally had post-revamp loot for each drop. If it worked the same way back then as it does here, surely at least one of those kills would have pre-revamp loot mixed in.

[Erati]

I dont see any of those posts only bragging about 1 item drop with the other drop likely been a throwaway old loot.

This would be a massive change as draco has been like this on blue since he was upgraded.