Spells: Greater Vocaration: Fire

[Abrums]

Seem's to be an issue with the proposed damage output from this pet when summoned. Melee damage does not appear to be on Par with the Wiki, as well as the Damage Shield it summons, Current Damage shield the pet puts on itself is no more than 2 damage.

Unless my spell files is outdated. Just let me know. Thanks

[Abrums]

Apparently, I need to do research what I found, contradictory statements, BLUF/TLDR:
Damage Shield should be around the 52 mark, DPS and hits should be far superior compared to the other Pets I'd be happy with 48 damage instead of the Measley 35 max hit right now.

https://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/...=1677#Comments

Also,
Dyzils Deafening Decoy could eat this level 58 Fire Pet alive, it's just dumb. This is supposed to be "Top Tier" Fire pet, and its straight up garbage. Please Fix. Here are the interesting quotes I found;

"
Loaded him up with armor, weps and jewelry…. Was happy to see that he buffs himself as well. Put him on one of the Pirates and the first thing he does is cast a spell, and drops the pirate 12%. Hmmm…Well, well, well…. After looking at a few of my own nukes and comparing the percentage with what I know I hit them for, looks like he nukes them for 400-500. Set him up with Kindle for his own clarity and he nukes (Fire and Ice spells) like 3-4 times in the fight. (Wow 1600-2000 Damage).. Roots too. By the way when he does melee, he hits for 48 max, not 20. And he quad hits. Yeah, the Earth pet melee’s them down and hit for 70, but this guy nukes them and melee’s. Used both pets enough to say I think Fire wipes them (The Mobs) out just a little faster. "

About the Damage Shield Portion;
K so just since i dinged 58 I decided to get this little guy and try him out... um he rocks!!! hits for 51.. has a 52 DS.. and constantly nukes for 440 hps... Why is it that yall think he sucks? I am very impressed with him!!!

Woo Woo Fire Demon!!!

About the Damage Output and how the pets stack against eachother;
In comparison:
Lvl 57 Earth pet: 90-110 DPS
Lvl 58 Fire Pet: 160-200 DPS
Lvl 59 Air Pet: 100-120 DPS
Lvl 60 Water Pet: 130-150 DPS"

[Kavious]

You are quoting alla comments posted between 2004 and 2016. Not to say something doesnt need adjusted but it would require in era evidence

[Abrums]

Just going to keep going then, people keep talking smack about this pet, maybe the damage isn't what it supposed to be for melee, but at least fix the Damage Shield on the pet. Also, this pet is "Supposed" to chain cast nukes. not melee.

Posted 2/15/2001, Luclin was released in December 2001, please fix

https://web.archive.org/web/20020413...on:+Fire&type=

"Ok I am going to put an end to rumors and tales now. The level 52 fire pet is in fact a wizard that almost chain casts 3 different spells. This fire pet is a COMPLETE different machine then the level 52 fire pet, and I mean by 180%. This fire pet is basically a level 49 earth pet (as far as hp's are concerned) and its radiation spell is a 62 point damage shield. It is not a wizard by any means, and truth be told the ONLY wizard pet a mage EVER gets is the level 52 Fire pet, NONE of them act like wizards prior to this. Yes they cast a fire based nuke, however that nuke does VERY little damage, what your confusing a powerfull nuke with is an INCREDIBLE damage shield. The DS is what drops mobs so fast while using fire pets guys, NOT thier nuking ability. (with the exception of the Level 52 fire pet). I like this pet alot, it works well. As for the post that this pet casts ice comet, ROTFLMAO, whatever dude. This is a great pet that has ALOT of hp's, take some serious abuse, and cause ALOT of damage to any mob that touches it. IMHO prolly the best pet to go with if ya aint got yer orb.

Elements 60 Mage"

[Telin]

I believe that quoted post was in jest.

From the research I've been able to find, 2001 was a rough year for mages post-50. Many complaints were in regards to the scale in power for 50+ mage pets. The damage caps were low compared to pre-50 pets. The fire pet in particular was thought to be more of a "wizard" post 50. The trade off was a bad DS and a lower max hit.

From what I can tell, the post-50 mage pets were buffed shortly after our timeline ends in the Luclin expansion.

Here is an in-era mage table:

https://web.archive.org/web/20010223...Statistics.htm

Here is a discussion thread touching on mage issues in 2001:

https://web.archive.org/web/20010221...ML/000776.html

[Ruien]

Telin, the quoted post doesn't sound like it's in jest. It sounds like someone who has firsthand experience, and who is frustrated by misinformation.
He also lists his character name and level (60), which lends credibility over the in-era mage table (which may be maintained by someone not yet at max level or missing the 58 pet).

Regarding the in-era mage table, it looks like the 58 pet entry was copy-pasted from the 52 pet data.
This is corroborated by the fact that the table has no data for damage and pet level.
It probably doesn't actually have O'Keils Radiation.

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Regarding the mage conversation thread:

ITEM: Voceration: Fire and Greater Voceration: Fire.
DESCRIPTION: The claim is that these two pets do less damage than the level 29 fire pet.
Are they really less useful than the 29th level pet?

To me this sounds like it's talking about the range of melee damage, not damage shield.
That is, the melee damage levels on fire pets on p99 right now are probably close to correct.

Other members of the same thread:
-- "ABSOR, your facts are wroooooooooong !!"
-- "Absor, sorry man, but you haven't listed any of the key concerns we wished added to your original list."

So, although we can agree that the thread suggests that mage pets are fairly weak compared to in-era content, I don't think we should take everything Absor says as gospel. (And nowhere here is a 2-point damage shield suggested.)


In conclusion:
-- It sounds like the 52 fire pet is indeed a dud, attested to by Abrums' quoted post.
-- It also sounds like the level 52 pet hits for roughly the same as a 29 pet (but casts as a wizard with a real nuke), and a low damage shield (O'Keils Radiation based on the table).
-- It sounds like the level 58 fire pet hits for lower than the other Greater Vocation pets (only a slightly more than the 52 pet) but has a strong innate fire damage shield, weak nuke, and has in the vicinity of 2500hp.

Note that I main enchanter, not mage. That said, I think the evidence supports Abrums' finding.

[Ruien]

Just to follow up on this:

I had a few minutes today to read through a different mage discussion thread from the one linked above:

https://web.archive.org/web/20010215...ML/055885.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20010306.../055885-2.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20010306.../055885-3.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20010306.../055885-4.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20010306.../055885-5.html

These don't support the conclusions I drew in my previous post.

There's definitely a consensus that 52 Vocarate: Fire and 56 Dyzil's Deafening Decoy are garbage. I'm not seeing anyone suggest that the 58 fire pet has a high damage shield, though.