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[Sancta]

Originally Posted by xdrcfrx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

times will be not 100% specific since I don't have the means or desire to time stamp this that closely.

At the 6 second mark the drakes start moving, as someone is telling Ducke to stand up on the signal, then berkley runs around the corner and flops. be interesting to see around that corner and know who actually aggro'd the drakes initially - it sure wasn't berkley, though. berkley rounds the corner at the 7 second mark after the drakes are moving.

mobs were gonna aggro on benjiman regardless of the riot monk, because he was not tucked in and out of los.

aren't you all the folks that argue that no where is safe in ToV, and everywhere is on the tracks? Can't have it both ways.

If Duckey stood then the drakes would be on Duckey, they were on Berkley. If Duckey stood then FD'd the drakes would have ran to him then stopped for a second then de-aggro'd or aggro'd the next person. Here in the video it shows a good clean run to Berkley with an FD after which they stop and aggro the next person who was badly tucked in. Also pretty sure Duckey was far in near Vulak.

[conoutoftrol]

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[sydbarrett25]

Originally Posted by Sancta [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let me see how it looks when I FD mobs in front of you and then say you pulled them all on your own accord lmao

Imagine not being able to count past 3

This is where there is a problem. It was bad raid form. Are you claiming that whole hall? How can another guild compete with no one tucked in. Its same as in any dungeon, you need to be aware of the mobs around you unless you want to get some damage on you.

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[LazyHydras]

Originally Posted by Sancta [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also pretty sure Duckey was far in near Vulak.

Correct. Duckey was waiting up by Vulak to kick off the encounter.

The YouTube video linked on the first page shows the mobs running forward despite Berkley appearing to not be in line of sight. The question is, why does Berkley run out from around the corner anyway? If you are out of LoS and certain you don't have aggro, why would you run out into LoS and flop? Even if you thought that you may have had aggro, why would you run out to flop instead of flopping on the spot? So many questions.

[Sancta]

Originally Posted by Croco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What train? AG/F caster wasn't within a galaxies distance of being in a safe area while multiple guilds were competing and pulling in a zone with a history of "bad pulls happen". If you're so dumb you stand in that area as a class that can't FD then your guild tries desperately to gaslight people into believing it wasn't your fault you got agro and died then transferred that agro to the rest of your group I don't know what to tell you.

Not a single person is arguing that Benjamin wasn't standing in a shitty spot, if he was in more, they might not have aggro'd him (and prolly aggro'd someone else because they were brought right up to the corner). But bringing mobs to an area where a person is standing not aggroing anything is training. Doesn't matter if it's a safe spot or not, FDing mobs on someone is straight up training I don't know what to tell you.

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Hey sancta ^

[Sancta]

Originally Posted by LazyHydras [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Correct. Duckey was waiting up by Vulak to kick off the encounter.

The YouTube video linked on the first page shows the mobs running forward despite Berkley appearing to not be in line of sight. The question is, why does Berkley run out from around the corner anyway? If you are out of LoS and certain you don't have aggro, why would you run out into LoS and flop? Even if you thought that you may have had aggro, why would you run out to flop instead of flopping on the spot? So many questions.

He's the only one that moved closer to the corner in the video, soon as he did that's when the drakes aggro'd, feel he knew he had them on him and that's when he ran out. Also everquest does a real bad job at showing other players' positions every milisecond, he probably was out of the corner (for a milisecond) more than what the client is showing us because it updates other players' positions so poorly. Bad decision on his part, should have just FD'd right away and Benjamin should have been in more.

[LazyHydras]

I think the gist of the argument is that the mobs wouldn't have aggroed Benjaman if they weren't brought up to that spot. Notice that the mobs are unaggroed as soon as Berkley runs out and flops. If Benjaman trained his own raid, then the mobs would have continued moving for him uninterrupted whether Berkley flopped or not. So, what happened?

[LazyHydras]

Originally Posted by Sancta [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also everquest does a real bad job at showing other players' positions every milisecond, he probably was out of the corner (for a milisecond) more than what the client is showing us because it updates other players' positions so poorly

That would explain it. The mobs stop moving once Berkley flops and only move again when they re-aggroed on Benjaman after being brought far enough back to be able to see him.