This game, this community... holy crap.

[ludovician]

So, I play here super casually. I played with the hope of raiding on here someday, but having been browsing the forums for the past few months I can honestly say no-fkn-way.

The argument in the guild summit meeting thread about move speed getting to Tormax was enough to turn me off to this game forever. Is the high end community really THAT nitpicky over every single rule and how every single statement written by the staff is worded? I don't want to hang out with people who are going to try to twist everyone else's words so that they favor one individual.

Then I read about how every guild needed a bat phone to be competitive. So I'm on the same page: You want to text me at 3am on a work night to wake me up to log onto a game to push some buttons to kill an e-monster to have a 1/60 chance of getting some loot? That doesn't fit into my life and I'm surprised it fits into so many other people's lives.

For a casual like me I guess there's no hope of playing. What are you guys even competing so hard for? Those same monsters are going to spawn -forever- and future progression is pretty uncertain. You're literally just rushing to min maxing a character so you can look at some slightly bigger numbers in your stats screen and you're killing the enjoyment of the game for a ton of people.

I don't play here really so I guess my word is pretty much crap to all of you and I expect a pretty unfriendly response, but from the outside looking in - how the hell do people play this game?

[Whirled]

Cheers brother! I'm also supoer-casual (dont have any 60 characters) +I still log in from time to time to goof around but ya.. too many take this stuff waaay too seriously. Chalk me up for one of the friendly responses + if you do decide to log in for a bit, lmk.

[Pokesan]

yep!

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Originally Posted by ludovician [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So, I play here super casually. I played with the hope of raiding on here someday, but having been browsing the forums for the past few months I can honestly say no-fkn-way.

The argument in the guild summit meeting thread about move speed getting to Tormax was enough to turn me off to this game forever. Is the high end community really THAT nitpicky over every single rule and how every single statement written by the staff is worded? I don't want to hang out with people who are going to try to twist everyone else's words so that they favor one individual.

Then I read about how every guild needed a bat phone to be competitive. So I'm on the same page: You want to text me at 3am on a work night to wake me up to log onto a game to push some buttons to kill an e-monster to have a 1/60 chance of getting some loot? That doesn't fit into my life and I'm surprised it fits into so many other people's lives.

For a casual like me I guess there's no hope of playing. What are you guys even competing so hard for? Those same monsters are going to spawn -forever- and future progression is pretty uncertain. You're literally just rushing to min maxing a character so you can look at some slightly bigger numbers in your stats screen and you're killing the enjoyment of the game for a ton of people.

I don't play here really so I guess my word is pretty much crap to all of you and I expect a pretty unfriendly response, but from the outside looking in - how the hell do people play this game?

Devs are soon implementing high end content that takes 43 minutes to complete, start to finish, and is triggered by the player so no batphone. Plus, make sure to visit the p99 store for exp potions and other unique items!

[Uomanrotyr]

Originally Posted by Sadre Spinegnawer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Devs are soon implementing high end content that takes 43 minutes to complete, start to finish, and is triggered by the player so no batphone. Plus, make sure to visit the p99 store for exp potions and other unique items!

A bit off topic, but RnF and all... A lot of people around here love to bash on instances. Having played on live for years and years, both before and after instances, I get it. To an extent.

By no means did it make raiding easier. Just bc content reached a point it was designed to be beat in a specific amount of time didn't mean it would be easier content. For a long time, it was quite the opposite. It required a full 54 man raid force being able to react in an instant and at times even just the slightest falter by any member of the raid would cause a wipe. The problem is they failed to balance risk vs reward after death was no longer a real punishment for failure. You wipe a few times, go farm some easier content to gear up the weaker members of the raid and come back later.

The biggest thing I remember about instances is how they destroyed most of the end-game raiding guilds of the time. Why? Bc, before that point, it had never been about the best group of players being able to engage and beat the hardest content. It was about the biggest collective of people who could pop on at any time of day to prevent other collectives of people from engaging a mob necessary to advance to the next tier of content. Surprise, surprise, this servers raiding seems to consist of many of those people who couldn't cut it post-instanced raiding. Basing your skill as a player around your guilds ability to prevent other people from competing on a level playing field is pathetic. Instances proved that.

I'm not saying the raid scene on live is in a good place. When they literally started copy/pasting group instances and scaling them for 54 people and calling them raids, that was just pathetic. And not even that. It was scaled up group instances designed for 6-12 engaged players and a bunch of auto-attack bots when I finally quit.

The last thing I'll say about instances is this; they slowly eroded the social aspect of the game. Primarily grouping. There was a lot of good that came with them, but the way they were implemented forced people to create a bot army to farm them. Here, you might miss out on a named drop. There will still be even just a 2-6% chance he'll spawn and drop it again at any point in the next few cycles. With instances, you could be locked out for a day or more bc... reasons. So it literally awarded boxing while punishing people who couldn't box for any number of reasons.

As far as the community here, I'd say that the % of dbags is roughly the same as any other online community. That said, this server has more active players online at its low times than live servers do at their peak times. So while the % is probably the same, you have to deal w/ more of those people simply bc there are more people. There is also a lot loss content, so competition is exponentially higher.

[zanderklocke]

Yep. Raiding in EverQuest is a total joke on this server. There's a reason why most future games invented instancing. Actually getting to engage the mob on this server is multitudes harder than the actual mechanics of defeating the mob.

[indiscriminate_hater]

Join a casual raiding guild that does lightly-contested content. Or don't even raid. Go group in high-level dungeons and explore the crazy shit out in western wastes, etc.

Also, pretty much every single epic can be bought, and generally the time it takes to obtain an epic via farming platinum is less than the equivalent raiding time required, assuming you have some degree of competency in the game.

[khanable]

Just don't raid or join a casual raiding guild with lax batphone rules.

And yes, the end-game scene here is absolute shit. And yes, you're right - there isn't much left here but the "get this and the other guys don't get this" mentality is strong enough to continue the extreme measures needed to raid/win.

[Sodors Finest Poster]

ToV on Sunday is more busy than Knapford station at rush hour.

[kagrobb]

Originally Posted by Sodors Finest Poster [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ToV on Sunday is more busy than Knapford station at rush hour.

You have caused confusion and delay!