One last point though.

[Stasis01]

If somehow a miracle happened and their pull team outplayed me, I would have logged on Stasis and attacked clerics so I wasn't scared of being YT'd.

[magician]

STASIS IS TOXIC TO THIS COMMUNITY.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdetKoWOwe0

[Jazzy]

Cringing REAL hard at OP

[Utanven]

Does Sirken realize the people he is protecting from this "grief" have been doing the exact same thing for months?

Why do you think Mornin, Quantized, Miranda are bound where they are?

Why didn't the guides who care so much call you then? We all petitioned.

I appreciate the staff & server & have donated to show this.

Certain people get services, others get ignored, it's hard to overlook the facts.

[magician]

Originally Posted by Utanven [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why do you think Mornin, Quantized, Miranda are bound where they are?

Good thing none of these players hold leadership or more less play in Ragnarok.

Appreciate the concern.

[Retticus]

*compares in range toons to out of range toons*

[GradnerLives]

It's a good thing you made this thread to clear things up.

Otherwise we might have thought you were an over-invested bergerboi with a melted goddamn butter brain whose life worth is hinged to his everquest character's ability to backstab sitting healers AND afraid of YT.

[grannock]

Originally Posted by Utanven [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Does Sirken realize the people he is protecting from this "grief" have been doing the exact same thing for months?

Why do you think Mornin, Quantized, Miranda are bound where they are?

Why didn't the guides who care so much call you then? We all petitioned.

I appreciate the staff & server & have donated to show this.

Certain people get services, others get ignored, it's hard to overlook the facts.

Hu? Some of our toons ate suspys this week for things like dispelling and training even though we tried very hard not to train and engage in mass pvp.

Any one of us could drop bombs on level 46 alts in tov and make it unplayable, do we really want that for this server?

[Aesop]

Originally Posted by Utanven [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Does Sirken realize the people he is protecting from this "grief" have been doing the exact same thing for months?

Why do you think Mornin, Quantized, Miranda are bound where they are?

Why didn't the guides who care so much call you then? We all petitioned.

I appreciate the staff & server & have donated to show this.

Certain people get services, others get ignored, it's hard to overlook the facts.

that facts are this:

In range dispelling of mobs was the old precedent. Everyone knew it, that's why we did it on Dozekar. We didn't expect to get suspended for it. All toons were in range.

We got suspended on three toons. Precedent was set. Apex knew it, they were sending tells to me, Dagon/Ogrok making fun of us for being suspended for dispelling.

And there is this:

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Precedent changed, we appealed and Sirken upheld it. The toons are still suspended. New precedent is dispelling mob is only OK if you have a raid force ready and contesting the mob (not 3 salty dudes logging in alt after alt to dispel mobs). New precedent was set by Apex, not Ragnarok. This was posted about, talked about in ooc and well known among your officers but they wanted our raid ruined and you to eat the suspension so they didn't have to.

At Tormax/Statue you guys are dispelling the mobs on oor toons because you got assfucked on your mains. OOR dispelling has never been legal. Never. Quil dispels in range, but doesn't have a raid force, just a solitary griefer. Which up until Doze, was totally fine.

We did in in Thunderdome yes, but it was legal and considered fair play at the time. Hence Tune's whiney poll.

Hope this helps.

[Gustoo]

Can someone confirm that in range grief dispelled are legal or illegal?

Having "raid force rdy" seems really iffy pre req for war.

Maybe u would have raid force ready after griefing enemy guild out of area if u were so skilled and dispelling and staying alive.

Anyways it looks like some people.need to call it a night and come back with their head on straight.

Also that closed thread should be stickied.