Someone Translate this wall of text from Omni

[Littul Jonn]

Originally Posted by rezzie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ask the Azure Guard guys if the Vulak loot they earned would have felt the same if they'd killed it on their rotated week, vs sniping it from the hands of both Aftermath and Core.

It most certainly would not have, I wish we had gotten it a bit more clean to avoid the meme's and the "Accidental Guard" comments lol. Props to AM and Core for not pitching a fit over that as well, we respect that. We're always working to get better but there's a bit of a skill/numbers gap we're still working to overcome.

Side note, that quake that happened recently, im pretty sure Kittens got all or most of the WToV mobs right?

@loramin i like the current raid meta because it rewards teamwork, dedication, and competition. Sure it might be better if it was 8 hour windows instead of 16 hours but a split second coth and the race to maintain FTE is still thrilling. I think if you split the server pop in thirds you'd have the "top tier raiders", the guilds that want to compete but lack the numbers/infrastructure, then everyone else who isn't in a guild or is still leveling.

I understand your point of view, i was in Omni for a long time and an Officer there at one point. I left because while there were great people and players there, i wanted to compete and defeat the big dogs (AM/AW at the time). I cant play as much as i used to but I definitely helped us level mages and clerics not to mention bring people into the guild.

If you want to play your style thats great but I don't think that it means another third of the server should have to as well (not counting non raid elidgable folks). Just my opinion but i think there's plenty of other servers for folks who enjoy that play style. Thats where a lot of the older AG went to (TAKP) and i guess they're having fun there. Thanks for standing your ground on your points, I just think there's a significant portion, or at least an equal portion to your argument, who dont see eye to eye on who "deserves" to kill stuff in ToV. Cheers guys

[mattydef]

I didn't read a lot of this thread but i thought i would let it be known i cracked up at the dude that compared raiding on p99 to the NFL.

[Wonkie]

Originally Posted by mattydef [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I didn't read a lot of this thread but i thought i would let it be known i cracked up at the dude that compared raiding on p99 to the NFL.

most NFL players have brain damage so yes

[Bbeta]

socialism doesnt work IRL and wont work here.

please close thread

[Convict]

more quakes has been and will always be to answer to solve a lot of the strife casual guilds are experiencing. But thats asking CSR to put in more work and the whole point was to try and lessen their workload. Quakes tend to need to be monitored and that's probably why there has been much less of them because rogean doesn't want to babysit 2-3 quakes a month.

about AG competing and winning mobs in ToV, yes they do get some but lets not pretend that AM doesn't still get 80+% of the mobs because they are bloated beyond what should be possible for a classic EQ guild and are able to keep multple FTE teams going at multiple targets around the clock during repop windows.
I'm tired of hearing all these aftermath forum warriors telling us about how other guilds can just "put in the effort and take mobs if they wanted to", its just not a reasonable thing to ask other guilds to just zerg recruit anything with a pulse to compete with aftermath. It would be fine if they just put all their effort into getting the top targets, but that's not enough they try to take fucking everything from everyone all the time, its ridiculous. They don't want competition, they want all the pixels.

There should be a roster cap for guilds. AM shouldn't be able to recruit half the server and just have enough people online at all times to simultaneously sock ToV, Kt/statue, CT, Dain, PD, Naggy, Gore, Sev, or pretty much anything of value, all the while also locking down idol camp as well.

[doormat00]

Omni Guild Charter:

Stay out of Rants and Flames. This is NOT negotiable.


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[Jauna]

Originally Posted by Convict [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

more quakes has been and will always be to answer to solve a lot of the strife casual guilds are experiencing. But thats asking CSR to put in more work and the whole point was to try and lessen their workload. Quakes tend to need to be monitored and that's probably why there has been much less of them because rogean doesn't want to babysit 2-3 quakes a month.

about AG competing and winning mobs in ToV, yes they do get some but lets not pretend that AM doesn't still get 80+% of the mobs because they are bloated beyond what should be possible for a classic EQ guild and are able to keep multple FTE teams going at multiple targets around the clock during repop windows.
I'm tired of hearing all these aftermath forum warriors telling us about how other guilds can just "put in the effort and take mobs if they wanted to", its just not a reasonable thing to ask other guilds to just zerg recruit anything with a pulse to compete with aftermath. It would be fine if they just put all their effort into getting the top targets, but that's not enough they try to take fucking everything from everyone all the time, its ridiculous. They don't want competition, they want all the pixels.

There should be a roster cap for guilds. AM shouldn't be able to recruit half the server and just have enough people online at all times to simultaneously sock ToV, Kt/statue, CT, Dain, PD, Naggy, Gore, Sev, or pretty much anything of value, all the while also locking down idol camp as well.

the thing that will totally destroy your entire post is...

alts. if you think any long timer only has a few 60s then lol and if there is a roster cap then they will break off and make alt guilds

[rezzie]

Originally Posted by Convict [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There should be a roster cap for guilds. AM shouldn't be able to recruit half the server and just have enough people online at all times to simultaneously sock ToV, Kt/statue, CT, Dain, PD, Naggy, Gore, Sev, or pretty much anything of value, all the while also locking down idol camp as well.

Wait, so we recruit half the server just to cock-block the other half of the server from loot? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Wonkie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

let's compromise and rotate every mob that doesnt drop a bis item

There are plenty of Dragons wandering around WW that are rarely killed!

Also, wasn't Vulak under a rotation agreement last year?

[Mead]

What happened to this guy?

Originally Posted by Dogma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

More preface: these are still only my opinions. This is not Tempest rhetoric. This is my own personal vision. If you're mistaking my words here for the voice of Tempest, you would be mistaken. Tempest is the home of my dreams and ally to my values.

I am a member of Tempest but I should define that I am not blindly loyal to Tempest. Tempest is absolutely the most fair and abiding guild on the server. It is the only guild that puts the server rules above its own well-being. This is how all guilds should function. This is how all guilds should be MADE to function. The rules exist to create fairness and balance. They exist to prevent abuses that have somehow been allowed to permeate every-single-week. A guild should not shirk from these rules for short-term gains. Competition is welcomed but no guild should ever have to cheat and lie to get nearly meaningless pixels. I'm very proud that Tempest exists fully above board in this regard. We do not ask ourselves "Did anyone see us breaking a rule?" We just ask "DID WE BREAK A RULE?" and that is the absolute decider of whether a mob is conceded. "What can we do better next time?" is always the next question. Ask any member whether these statements are true, I dare you. If this ever changes in Tempest, it will not be home to me any longer but I am confident that in those terms, my stay in Tempest is cemented.

I have never had a truly bad experience with the staff here. I've been in similar shoes before and even when I would disagree with their decision, I can understand how they might have arrived there. It is not an easy job. It takes a special dedication and caring for this server to do what they do week in and week out. I have a respect for them that I can't fully express in words.

I like to think I was a pretty average member of this community. I like to think that most people who play this server are typically quiet, good-natured members. They keep their heads down and play the game casually and try to not cause trouble. I bet most don't frequent the forums, only coming there for trading access and server chat threads, not drama. That's a pretty nice way to live.

That is normal. That is what things should be like.

I realized recently that I've been a silent observer here for far too long. That the direction of the server is no longer being coordinated solely by the staff, but rather by the misanthropic players among us who would rather revel in the smoldering chaos that they can create. So I can no longer be silent.

I'm glad that the cancers of this server are so outspoken. It makes them easy to identify. I've given a couple days for some of the things I've said to circulate and sink in... and many of those I speak of couldn't help themselves and did run rampant with some of my statements. I understand that some of them are very concerned by what my words might do for their own efforts here. Others simply don't understand what I'm doing yet or who I even am. Perhaps if they could actually log in they'd know. They'll have to wait to be told instead.

I refuse to let attacks on this community continue unmitigated and unchecked. We should be speaking out against their actions. It is not acceptable for us to allow them to determine what is normal for this community. It is self-defeating as they will cause irreversible and catastrophic damage before they are addressed in any meaningful fashion if we let them continue like this. This server will never be the same and it will likely never recover.

The stirrings my previous post caused were better than I expected. It's interesting that they cling to the same few stories about Tempest like children to their security blankets. They ran out of ammo so fast they started telling stories about how THEY screw up with implication it's Tempest's fault. Guess they forgot to put the spin on those ones. It is even through these reactions that I do not hold a grudge against them. I wish for them to see that a change is needed. I wish that they would make that decision themselves.

I once called many of them friend and it is not with anger or political ploy that I make these posts. I am deeply concerned for the continuation of this Project and I believe the only path it has without change is a lesser course than even today. I believe if that if the venom and hatred that exist on these forums and in-game between fellow enthusiasts of this EverQuest Project continues unabated, there will be devastating changes in the climate that I fear would not be survivable for most. It is not fair to the staff and players who have invested so much into this server.

This is a call to action. I am not asking the community to join us in Tempest (though you're welcome to). I am asking the many to speak out against the few. Form your own opinions from what evidence you can access and know that EVERYTHING posted in RNF is a weapon aimed against this server.

I said before that this community is too isolated for us to exist here full of hatred. I'm not calling out guilds. I'm not naming individuals. I am addressing behavior. I am drawing attention to how we, as adults playing a 20 year old elf simulator, treat eachother and the game that we collectively appreciate. I genuinely believe that this is an issue that resides beyond guild boundaries and loyalties. I'm speaking to individuals who want this server to stop being so infected. There is enough filth in the real world, let this be our escape from that.

I'd like to extend this invitation to the indifferent server staff whose fervor are the real catalyst for making this server tick. I would specifically ask the staff and the playerbase to objectively examine the actions of individuals. Do not define what is acceptable today by what was tolerated yesterday. That is the slipperiest slope of all. Ask yourself what the absolute should be. Set your own standard and compare the actions to that. That's all you have to do. It should be easy and quite revealing.

Watch what Tempest does. See who we are for yourself instead of being told by others what we are.

And try to remember: Finding answers is not the same thing as solving problems. We need to solve the problem.

Did he cure the server of cancer?