Game Mechanics: 1 grouping Klandicar

[ylarik24]

Thanks for the link
RE: Typical Reply... By: syldane, Scholar
103 posts
Posted @ Tue, May 8th 12:35 PM 2001 Score: Good[3.50]
Yeah, I'm sure you've read by now what the exploit was: spawning the giants so they could train dragons to them, or the giants to the dragons for the purpose of getting cheap dragon kills.

Personally, in the cases of these exploits I think they should put a line of text to the player when they turn in an item, that to use this in a way other than to do the quest is a bannable exploit. You catch someone doing it, they cannot say they didn't know, they are banned or at least suspended for a month. Keep an eye on the area for a while, ban a few people and word would get around not to do it. I'd rather them do it this way than nerf a good quest for the rest of us.

BTW, you might could do this giant with a small group by using snare and run tactics like we've used on the Garadain's Rings quests. You have a group of giants with one named in the middle, snare or root the named one, the rest chase you madly away, leaving the named alone. the rest take him down fairly easily while you entertain the rest. Zone when the named is down, come back to loot. All too easy, unless the named is highly MR.

[Beatnix]

Originally Posted by Baugi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please be more careful that the information you contribute to the bug forum is correct. As pointed out in the sticky, staff wastes a lot of time on poorly researched and incorrect information.

Captain isn't immune to anything. He's highly resistant to cold and magic.

[Fri Feb 28 21:28:35 2020] A Kromzek Captain is consumed by the flames of the sun. (fire)
[Sun Sep 13 14:35:10 2020] A Kromzek Captain has been poisoned. (poison)
[Wed Sep 30 16:20:30 2020] A Kromzek Captain's skin freezes. (cold)
[Sun Sep 13 14:34:41 2020] A Kromzek Captain's skin erupts in purulent pock marks. (disease)
[Tue Mar 10 02:24:27 2020] A Kromzek Captain feels dispelled. (unresistable)
And dictate lands as already mentioned. (magic)

As far as I can find, this is consistent with live since there are Luclin era posts that reference difficulty but success slowing him with tash (possible they meant disease slowed but they did mention tash, might be worth testing dictate or theft of thought on a live server), e.g.

https://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/...02630463086872

Interestingly, using the giants from the quest to kill WW dragons was done in-era. They had to add a respawn timer to the quest (or fix some other issue?) because people were spawning multiple waves to throw at Sontalak.



https://web.archive.org/web/20021107...=1255&start=75

Seems like confirmed classic to me.

People spawning more and more giants is not the same as landing charm on Captain. He is not charmable on live. I have yet to find any evidence that shows he was ever charmable.

[Baugi]

Originally Posted by Beatnix [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He is not charmable on live.

You've tested this?

[ylarik24]

Yes we have tested it. Also it looks like they considered training the giants on to dragons a exploit .

[Baugi]

Originally Posted by ylarik24 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes we have tested it

Originally Posted by Kirdan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you're going to need to provide some kind of evidence if you want something changed

Originally Posted by ylarik24 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also it looks like they considered training the giants on to dragons a exploit .

Who? SOE only ever changed the quest so you couldn't spawn multiple giant waves.

[ylarik24]

bump

[Tune]

Giants need to have factions completely removed and scowl to every1

Captain needs to be made uncharmable

This is redic

[Nexii]

The issue on Red is that Captain is protected by non-raid PnP (as a small group quest NPC) but being used for raid purposes (to kill Klandicar with 1-2 groups). While Klandicar is up Captain should be considered a raid mob.

I would say that since Nilbog made NPC merchants uncharmable, then for consistency quest NPCs shouldn't be charmable. Slixin Klex comes to mind. If an enchanter charms it how can you ever compete that step of the Mage epic?

[Tigerstyle Wutangfist]

There are very few places in EQ, outside of guards, where NPC fight one another. In many of these cases, that process can be "used" in a manner which undermines the spirit of play.

That behavior should be considered and unintended mechanic, or exploit.

Just make these giants not attack COV.

This is consistent with Wakening Lands. Giants in WL do not fight Wuoshi or Rolandal, and vice versa.

[Zipity]

Haha yea the scout giants not even the captain will kill around 3-4 +6 neck dragons if you train them over there on scout roll, I’ve gotten lucky once or twice and they all die except a 6 neck at very low hp.

You can also charm something and give it like a sword of Skyfire(rain spell) and when it procs just ghazugi ring and the second wave will create a faction war. It should all be disabled.