Recruitment Advice for AM.

[Wonkie]

Originally Posted by rezzie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let me know when your reading comprehension improves enough to realise that training people deliberately is still intentionally training people even if you know that you won't be punished because they're "on the tracks".

the rules say you can do that, which is why you are suspended and Riot is not

[Wonkie]

Originally Posted by rezzie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hmm. If we want to focus on responses to disputes, let's take a look at Riot's from earlier that night.

• We made you aware that you trained us at Eashen.
• You engaged and killed Eashen anyway.
• Diamondfist and Quean got wyvern aggro on your botched engage, FDing them over us and delaying our CR attempts.
• Riot engages Zlexak while we try and get corpses dragged from under Eashen.
• Two minutes later Riot acknowledges the Eashen train and concedes 2x Eashen.
• Riot spends the next 9 minutes killing Zlexak while we continue the CR at Eashen from your train.
• We request 2x Zlexak concessions. Riot's response:
  

So Riot refuses to drop a mob they're engaged on - even after admitting fault - and then tells us it'll be dealt with later because it's not a live issue.

Meanwhile, Riot petitions us despite a concession ~3 minutes after being made aware of a train by our member and a 30 minute window after the concession before we engaged anything else.

Something feels inconsistent here.

honestly this is a bunch of gay lawyering and you should be ashamed

[xerozz]

we deserve the raid ban 100% for being in the 4way trying to get trained on purpose it looked like almost....... the other guild monks were very obviously spliting guards and we were just standing there (WHILE we were locked into another mob)

[Gatordash]

Originally Posted by planarity [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We didn't train you deliberately, this is a lie. Our interest was in splitting and killing the guards quickly, and stood to gain nothing from you guys wiping because you *were locked out anyway*. We *warned you in ooc* that you were in our pull path and you had no reason to be there. In the past when AM was on the Lady M side and we were at Kriezenn, we kept our raid back out of line of sight of the 4-way.

You tried unsuccessfully to impede us from splitting and killing the guards quickly. Your raid leader made a terrible call. Own it.

Petitioning and bringing back guild suspensions is a terrible call. Vulak was conceded immediately, you killed it in the next 30 min or so anyways, and the guy was kicked from the guild... and then you petitioned. What are you gaining out of a guild suspension? According to Llandris' update to the rules FAQ today, you could have been petitioned for the Eashen train earlier and also would have been suspended. You are putting the server back on a path of petitions and suspensions over sticking it to AM for a week. I would have thought a guild made up of a bunch of people from Core would want to take it easy on the suspensions stuff. Either way, pretty shitty and shortsighted of you imo.

[Arkanjil]

Originally Posted by xerozz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

we deserve the raid ban 100% for being in the 4way trying to get trained on purpose it looked like almost....... the other guild monks were very obviously spliting guards and we were just standing there (WHILE we were locked into another mob)

Dunno who you are, but you’re retarded if you think we were trying to get ourselves trained. Again...for the third time now...the week prior we were sitting on the opposite corner splitting mobs in that huge friggin hallway to split the guards. There is MORE than enough room to do that in the hallway. We were NOT “on the tracks”.

[Wonkie]

Originally Posted by Arkanjil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dunno who you are, but you’re retarded if you think we were trying to get ourselves trained. Again...for the third time now...the week prior we were sitting on the opposite corner splitting mobs in that huge friggin hallway to split the guards. There is MORE than enough room to do that in the hallway. We were NOT “on the tracks”.

right, riot trained you on purpose while clearing to an active fte. that makes sense. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

AM always the victim

[Arkanjil]

Originally Posted by Wonkie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

right, riot trained you on purpose while clearing to an active fte. that makes sense. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

AM always the victim

They are clearly terrible at splitting mobs if they needed to drag them all the way to Vulak 4 way.

[Jonabis]

Originally Posted by Arkanjil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, we were set up at Vulak before FTE went out on Aary. Aary also spawned while we were all in north. All guilds were DQd from Aary until we left the wing. Therefore, the accidental FTE on Aary shouldn’t even have mattered, but we went with it anyway.

I think the confusing part for everyone is that if you were adhering to the lock out, why wouldn't you just move completely out of the way for the competition? You are not supposed to be pressuring another guild on a mob you can't engage because of being locked into another right? So it just appears as though you were stalling in a risky manor. Rolled the dice and lost. Just say sorry and let the healing begin. <3

[xerozz]

Originally Posted by Arkanjil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dunno who you are, but you’re retarded if you think we were trying to get ourselves trained. Again...for the third time now...the week prior we were sitting on the opposite corner splitting mobs in that huge friggin hallway to split the guards. There is MORE than enough room to do that in the hallway. We were NOT “on the tracks”.

regardless we shouldn't have been standing there like fucking retards while 10 diff guild monks were on the other side throwing eyeballs pulling drakes down the hall .. we had no reason to be fuckign standing there we were locked into aary anyway, regardless if its in the tracks or not

[diamondfist]

Originally Posted by rezzie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hmm. If we want to focus on responses to disputes, let's take a look at Riot's from earlier that night.

• We made you aware that you trained us at Eashen.
• You engaged and killed Eashen anyway.
• Diamondfist and Quean got wyvern aggro on your botched engage, FDing them over us and delaying our CR attempts.
• Riot engages Zlexak while we try and get corpses dragged from under Eashen.
• Two minutes later Riot acknowledges the Eashen train and concedes 2x Eashen.
• Riot spends the next 9 minutes killing Zlexak while we continue the CR at Eashen from your train.
• We request 2x Zlexak concessions. Riot's response:
  

So Riot refuses to drop a mob they're engaged on - even after admitting fault - and then tells us it'll be dealt with later because it's not a live issue.

Meanwhile, Riot petitions us despite a concession ~3 minutes after being made aware of a train by our member and a 30 minute window after the concession before we engaged anything else.

Something feels inconsistent here.

Love the misinformation here... really hope you guys did petition that so you can eat another raid suspension for as per usual Detoxx crying wolf without having all the information in front of him, and or trying to manipulate his view of the rules, or just outright trying to bully the other parties leadership into aligning with what Detoxx feels he deserves.


You guys cant ask for the world, and then feel you are above doing the same in return when you are caught.

#think