shit's goin down!

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

dumpster diving anthrax taking an axe about to rot is now stealing? /twist

Taking something that isn't yours...

take (another person's property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it.

Actually by definition yes it is.

[Snizatcher]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You do realize BDA has been known to train people and to exploit also even once warned what they are doing is exploiting? Hell Anthrax stole loot from a VP kill and Rais/Bisch repeatedly trained and memblurd exploited mobs in VP just to spite us. They were super proud.

We can name something a person has done in every guild that has ever raided on this server. VP pre-CS intervention was a shit show of epic proportions. It's just the point that every time you /petition IB or IB /petition's TMO. It goes on to prove that FFA and C are creating a lot of the CS hassles. You and Lazie both said it is crazy how this has become petitionquest/frapsquest. No one likes playing that way. We certainly didn't and that is why we remain in Class R. Don't have to petition crap or deal with trains.

All I am saying is, whether you like it or not, you agree with Chest insomuch that you hate petitionquest/frapsquest/ruleslawyerquest.

[Samoht]

actually, by definition, he looted something that the server was about to delete, anyway, and thus had no owner to claim it as stolen.

[quido]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

^removing the "no-rules" status from VP was something that nilbog wanted us to at least try. Was pushing for it for a while, and we finally decided to change it after the raid talks. It is entirely possible to get clean pulls in VP, but I'd still prefer no rules at all simply because it's less headaches for us.

Undoubtedly, things are often fine in VP even with two cut-throat guilds in there, but the amount of foul play that exists each month is absolutely staggering. The opportunity for foul play is incredible in VP, and enforcing/collecting evidence of said foul play is difficult. It is easy to play foully without even being in the presence of anyone else in the game (flopping a dragon on the path of a pull for another dragon). The rules in VP have merely created a system in which the slickest players win. That's right, by being good at being an underhanded cheating fucking asshole, you get to win more. The more dishonest and evasive you are, the better your side does.

Until there is some foolproof system of enforcement (such as zone-wide cameras or mob aggro/position recording), it is 100% more trouble than it's worth having the rules we currently do in VP. I hope you will consider doing us ALL a favor and eliminate them.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

actually, by definition, he looted something that the server was about to delete, anyway, and thus had no owner to claim it as stolen.

Server rules state that whomever kills a dragon owns its loot. Actually...

[Samoht]

like i said, /twist

TMO could have been pals and allowed someone else to loot the axe.

but they didn't.

and that's why the rest of us know you as the scum of the server.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

like i said, /twist

TMO could have been pals and allowed someone else to loot the axe.

but they didn't.

and that's why the rest of us know you as the scum of the server.

We might have allowed someone else to loot the item.. however anthrax took that choice from us. We often open up loot to whomever is in zone. Sorry buddy the facts don't support your statement.

[Rais]

Don't let Alarti fool you. He petitions more than anyone else. Even zeelot had to tell him to quit shitting all over petition section due to fucking everything up. That's another reason why petitionquest sucked and took so long to get resolved.

[Samoht]

you can say facts while referring to actual facts or you can say facts while referring to bullshit. you seem to prefer the latter case almost every time you post. deleted items have no owners. anthrax saved the axe from deletion. you're still a piece of shit either way.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Rais [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't let Alarti fool you. He petitions more than anyone else. Even zeelot had to tell him to quit shitting all over petition section due to fucking everything up. That's another reason why petitionquest sucked and took so long to get resolved.

I have 13 total raid related petitions.... you really shouldnt make claims I can easily... prove.