That's racist!

[Abacab "The REAL truth"]

u crazy hasbinbad!

Let's throw a hypothetical

Same commercial, same lecture, same points being stressed, and let's say the entire assembly was composed of Swedes because in this hypothetical Sweden is taking China's place.

Would you have made this thread? Would you call it racist if we grouped a bunch of Swedish people up and had them laugh at the end?

Or is it only racist when the people being shown in the clip are a different skin color? Would it only be racist if it was a bunch of Kenyans? Israelis? Pakistanis? Koreans? Mexicans?

I personally only think you're calling it racist simply because it's the "Chinese" and not some white-bread pan-european group, in a sense I kind of think you're racist on the fact that when you view a clip such as this you're aiming and gouging at every finite detail until you find something a tad-less politically correct.

Then again I don't see this as a "race" issue, I'm fairly certain those same neo-cons go to the $5.99 asian buffet and the only table talk happening involving the Chinese at this time would be "How kinky would it be to fuck an asian?" This is obviously not an issue with the color of their skin and dehumanizing people living in red China, this is obviously fear mongering on the basis of turning China into a cold-war era threat just like we did with the USSR

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Abacab "The REAL truth" [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

u crazy hasbinbad!

Let's throw a hypothetical

Same commercial, same lecture, same points being stressed, and let's say the entire assembly was composed of Swedes because in this hypothetical Sweden is taking China's place.

I totally understand what you're trying to get at here, but that supposition ignores four (or more) very important realities about this country:

#1.) America has a large population who are already very intolerant of any asian group. This kind of thing just adds to that and makes it easier for people who are not in that population to join that population.

#2.) China is a communist country, which basically makes it analogous with the above, but for different reasons. There is a HUGE anti-communist sentiment with a large population in America, and again, this just adds fuel to the existant bonfire.

#3.) China is a top world power at this time, and they are only going to get more powerful very quickly with time. They are experiencing their population dividend right now. When was the last time you saw pictures of shanghai? This fact plays right in to the fear being mongered by this commercial and by right wing nutjobs talking about our evil Chinese overlords.

#4.) America doesn't owe Sweden it's collective weight of testicles and breasts in gold. The American debt to China is a very real threat to the security of a lot of people. More enlightened people see it as a very complicated and long-term business transaction, but it outright scares a lot of people.

There are probably more reasons why Sweden is a false analogy, but this should suffice. England would be a better choice, since they in fact do own much of this country, but there is not a strong undercurrent of hate for the English in this country, so it doesn't work either. You need to accept the fact that racism is a reality before you can understand why the implications of this kind of propaganda are harmful.

As for me being racist for recognizing this: lol.

[Abacab "The REAL truth"]

But let's real talk about big China

China has abstained from nearly every U.N resolution which has involved any G8 member voting in favor of, including use of force to foster peace, peacekeeping, and the voluntary commitments to re-building impoverished nations. Some nation could be completely devastated by a earthquake (aka Japan) and China would abstain simply on the basis that Japan is a G8, and it's G8 allies would help.

It's also funny because the G8 members have routinely made it obvious that they wont stand for human rights violations which is the main reasoning behind the air strikes in Libya, but the G8 will never lift a hostile hand to China, no matter what the Chinese government does to it's citizens or refugee population the U.N stops short of sending a fax saying "Don't do it again" mostly empty threats and promises.

If the 9/11 attacks were perpetrated by Chinese nationals do you think big W. would've sent naval bombardments and ground troops to siege Beijing? In essence China can do what it wants, when it wants with zero repercussion by the world at large and it comes down to it's might in both the military and economic spheres.

All I'm saying is it's hard to victimize a group of people that continually violate civil rights, that has the western world in a stranglehold through debt, that has the military and nuclear firepower to wipe the world of every human in existence, it's hard to victimize a country that has made it obvious over the last few decades it only cares about how much power it can attain on a national level.

[Abacab "The REAL truth"]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I totally understand what you're trying to get at here, but that supposition ignores four (or more) very important realities about this country:

#1.) America has a large population who are already very intolerant of any asian group. This kind of thing just adds to that and makes it easier for people who are not in that population to join that population.

#2.) China is a communist country, which basically makes it analogous with the above, but for different reasons. There is a HUGE anti-communist sentiment with a large population in America, and again, this just adds fuel to the existant bonfire.

#3.) China is a top world power at this time, and they are only going to get more powerful very quickly with time. They are experiencing their population dividend right now. When was the last time you saw pictures of shanghai? This fact plays right in to the fear being mongered by this commercial and by right wing nutjobs talking about our evil Chinese overlords.

#4.) America doesn't owe Sweden it's collective weight of testicles and breasts in gold. The American debt to China is a very real threat to the security of a lot of people. More enlightened people see it as a very complicated and long-term business transaction, but it outright scares a lot of people.

There are probably more reasons why Sweden is a false analogy, but this should suffice. England would be a better choice, since they in fact do own much of this country, but there is not a strong undercurrent of hate for the English in this country, so it doesn't work either. You need to accept the fact that racism is a reality before you can understand why the implications of this kind of propaganda are harmful.

As for me being racist for recognizing this: lol.

#1 Obsurd! Asian porn is the highest selling market of porn kind of hard to be intolerant of something the majority of America jacks off to when the parents are asleep. In all seriousness, asians are by far the LEAST persecuted ethnic group in the U.S, even Canadian's get more flack than the Korean's do. On the other hand asians are probably the MOST stereotyped, but let's just call a spade and spade cause they're miles ahead of mexicans and blacks in terms of white-bread redneck hate.

#2 Hating communism has nothing to do with race, we hated the Russians for years and they were white than the snow they passed out drunk on. Anti-communist sentiments stem from the fact that the word is near synonymous with people such as Stalin.

#3 Why you not hate a rival in the game? We hated the English, we hated the Russians, it's just part of the cycle of maintaining alpha male status... I am also fairly certain that the sentiments of the Chinese towards us is less than amiable as well, hell the Chinese celebrate every time Japan gets rocked by a national disaster simply because of the Rape of Nanking. There's a lot of hatred for each other in the world and it's not just right wing nutjobs here in America, because every nation on this earth would slit their rivals throats if they had the chance.

#4 The only reason people are threatened of China taking stage is because of reason #3, the People's Republic is not lead by people such as Ghandi, and is lead by people that have no qualms about flaying the skin off pacifist monks simply because the monk's ideology goes against the Great Leader's vision, which low and behold everything we do in America goes against the Great Leader's vision which is paramount to wartime communism (aka permanent revolution)

[wehrmacht]

Let me educate you metrosexual, politically correct, liberal nooblings on something.

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Feels awfully like the anti-jewish propaganda in the late 30's in Germany (obv I'm not old enough to remember, but I've researched this a bit).

Judaism is an ethnocentric, racist, supremacist cult. Christianity and Islam both are about recruiting people into their "religion". Judaism on the other hand, is all focused on "we are the chosen people, you are dog shit".

There are all kinds of texts they still follow to this day from the Torah about how it's ok to charge interest to gentiles but not other Jews and how stealing and killing is bad but gentiles aren't really people, they're more like animals, so it's not really that big of a fucking deal, etc.

Thou shalt not lend upon interest to thy brother: interest of money, interest of victuals, interest of any thing that is lent upon interest. Unto a foreigner thou mayest lend upon interest; but unto thy brother thou shalt not lend upon interest (Deuteronomy, 23:20-21

People don't just come out of the woodwork and start killing them for no reason. It's because their entire ideology is inherently anti-everyone that's not jewish and inherently devoted to racial supremacy.

It's not a race, about 70% of people in Israel are of european origin. Only like 20-30% are Mizrahi (ie: arabic descent jews). It is a cult, no different from scientology or christianity, or Islam. The only difference is, Christians only whine if you don't convert, Islam wants to kill you if you don't convert, Judaism doesn't want you to convert, they want to treat you like a 2nd class citizen.

Straight from the mouth of one of the head's of the Israeli Rabbis in Jerusalem Post: "Yosef: Gentiles exist only to serve Jews"

http://www.jpost.com/JewishWorld/Jew...aspx?id=191782

I'm not religious and my background is 1/2 brit, 1/2 norwegian for anyone wondering.

[Harrison]

I was made intolerant of Asians because of videogames and their propensity to cheat at them. The Nameless was the beginning, other games made it worse...

[Aarone]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I didn't compare anything to Nazi Germany's treatment of the Jewish people at any point. I compared the above commercial to the propaganda of the Nazi party. That difference, while apparently subtle enough to fly right the fuck over YOUR head, is not inconsequential.

Also, lots of things are comparable to the Nazi parties treatment of the Jewish people. Lots of countries have committed lots of atrocities, and comparing those situations to Nazis is actually quite helpful so that nothing like the nazis ever happens again.

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
-Santayana

I would posit that it is only through the comparison of the Nazis treatment of the Jewish people that we ensure that things like that never happen again.

Are you arguing that things like that should happen again, sirrah?

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Absolutely not. I am not disagreeing with your initial statement (about the commercial). I am arguing your use of the "rhetorical trick" of bringing the Nazi experience up as an example - specifically, I am saying that comparisons to the experience of the Holocaust weaken your initial argument, as making the comparison opens the door to all sorts of idiots spewing all sorts of anti-Semetic crap. Such as this lovely bit...

Originally Posted by wehrmacht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let me educate you metrosexual, politically correct, liberal nooblings on something.

Judaism is an ethnocentric, racist, supremacist cult. Christianity and Islam both are about recruiting people into their "religion". Judaism on the other hand, is all focused on "we are the chosen people, you are dog shit".

There are all kinds of texts they still follow to this day from the Torah about how it's ok to charge interest to gentiles but not other Jews and how stealing and killing is bad but gentiles aren't really people, they're more like animals, so it's not really that big of a fucking deal, etc.

People don't just come out of the woodwork and start killing them for no reason. It's because their entire ideology is inherently anti-everyone that's not jewish and inherently devoted to racial supremacy.

It's not a race, about 70% of people in Israel are of european origin. Only like 20-30% are Mizrahi (ie: arabic descent jews). It is a cult, no different from scientology or christianity, or Islam. The only difference is, Christians only whine if you don't convert, Islam wants to kill you if you don't convert, Judaism doesn't want you to convert, they want to treat you like a 2nd class citizen.

Straight from the mouth of one of the head's of the Israeli Rabbis in Jerusalem Post: "Yosef: Gentiles exist only to serve Jews"

http://www.jpost.com/JewishWorld/Jew...aspx?id=191782

I'm not religious and my background is 1/2 brit, 1/2 norwegian for anyone wondering.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Abacab "The REAL truth" [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

#1 Obsurd! Asian porn is the highest selling market of porn kind of hard to be intolerant of something the majority of America jacks off to when the parents are asleep. In all seriousness, asians are by far the LEAST persecuted ethnic group in the U.S, even Canadian's get more flack than the Korean's do. On the other hand asians are probably the MOST stereotyped, but let's just call a spade and spade cause they're miles ahead of mexicans and blacks in terms of white-bread redneck hate.

#2 Hating communism has nothing to do with race, we hated the Russians for years and they were white than the snow they passed out drunk on. Anti-communist sentiments stem from the fact that the word is near synonymous with people such as Stalin.

#3 Why you not hate a rival in the game? We hated the English, we hated the Russians, it's just part of the cycle of maintaining alpha male status... I am also fairly certain that the sentiments of the Chinese towards us is less than amiable as well, hell the Chinese celebrate every time Japan gets rocked by a national disaster simply because of the Rape of Nanking. There's a lot of hatred for each other in the world and it's not just right wing nutjobs here in America, because every nation on this earth would slit their rivals throats if they had the chance.

#4 The only reason people are threatened of China taking stage is because of reason #3, the People's Republic is not lead by people such as Ghandi, and is lead by people that have no qualms about flaying the skin off pacifist monks simply because the monk's ideology goes against the Great Leader's vision, which low and behold everything we do in America goes against the Great Leader's vision which is paramount to wartime communism (aka permanent revolution)

Blatant fallacies.
Not even going to talk to you if you can't address the issues I put forth.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Aarone [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

comparisons to the experience of the Holocaust

I made no such comparison sir, and I defy you to show otherwise.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by wehrmacht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let me educate you metrosexual, politically correct, liberal nooblings on something.

No thx.

Originally Posted by wehrmacht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

frothing hate speech

tl;dr.