Spells: Imbue spells should not be diety restricted on P99

[wycca]

Good news I hope for the die-hard crafters! Cultural is bad enough already, so this is one time that it being classic may mean something helpful. The lack of deity restriction was left in for a very long time, and if you scribed them before this patch, to this day on live, you can still imbue any deity.

Problem - Imbue spell scrolls should not be deity restricted on P99. The deity restriction on the spell scrolls was not patched on live until May 8, 2002.

Actual Patch Message - Source - http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20020508.html

"- Characters can no longer scribe a scroll that they can't cast due to deity restrictions"

Detail from EQTraders - Source - http://file3.guildlaunch.net/193799/...%20recipes.pdf

"Characters can no longer scribe a scroll that they can't cast due to deity
restrictions (imbue gem spells were bugged for a while so anyone of the proper
level/class could scribe them, now you should be able to only scribe the spell for your deity)"

Solution - Remove deity restrictions from all imbue scrolls.

Items Needing to be Changed -
Scroll Name - Item #
Spell: Imbue Amber - 15885
Spell: Imbue Black Pearl - 15894
Spell: Imbue Black Sapphire - 15897
Spell: Imbue Diamond - 15895
Spell: Imbue Emerald - 15888
Spell: Imbue Fire Opal - 15899
Spell: Imbue Ivory - 15884
Spell: Imbue Jade - 15891
Spell: Imbue Opal -15798
Spell: Imbue Peridot - 15898
Spell: Imbue Plains Pebble - 15800
Spell: Imbue Rose Quartz - 15896
Spell: Imbue Ruby - 15887
Spell: Imbue Sapphire - 15886
Spell: Imbue Topaz - 15799

Item #'s only -
15798
15799
15800
15884
15885
15886
15887
15888
15891
15894
15895
15896
15897
15898
15899

PS - Despite the wording of the patch message, they left it so you could still cast any imbue spell scribed before the patch - source - http://www.eqcleric.com/archive/index.php/t-355.html - post by Parklyn - 05-05-2003, 06:49 PM - "Back in the day when these spells came out any cleric could memorize any imbue spell irregardless of diety. They "fixed" this bug. But if you memmed these spells in your spell book (before they fixed it) then you can cast any of those imbue spells! <wink> I did not know this at the time and just have my Tunare imbue spell for emerald's.

Knowing this is particularly helpfulf for those looking to have a gem imbued that does not have a high population of that diety cleric's on your server. Just ask if any cleric is able to imbue what you need they may have the spell memmed!"

[Daldaen]

Interesting.

The way I read it maybe you can only scribe it, but cannot cast it? But perhaps thats just the weird wording of those quotes.

[Vega]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Interesting.

The way I read it maybe you can only scribe it, but cannot cast it? But perhaps thats just the weird wording of those quotes.

I didn't read the PS at first either [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But sadly it is only one post talking about what he heard, not what he actually tried. It would be interesting to try and find more evidence.

[Daldaen]

EQCaster's Realm 2001

Description: This religious based spell creates a holy relic used in tradeskills to enhance the powers of items.
It is limited to a deity.

Prexus Worshipers Only

HIGH ELF CLERIC, LEVEL 29, By Nanadari kween (1/28/2001)

Cannot scribe the spell when I am not worshipping the required diety. Big Ooops.

https://web.archive.org/web/20001218...p?Class=Cleric

I skimmed through 5-6 Imbue posts and they all share similar descriptions "Must be xxx diety"

I would tend to think this is a temporary bug maybe? Could use more evidence I suppose.

[wycca]

Bleh, was hoping to avoid linking it all!

There's alot of people who assumed they were actually deity restricted when it wasn't. So you'll find alot of misinformation posts by people who just assumed instead of tested. All of these links discuss the lack of restriction prior to the patch, and make no reference to it switching back and forth prior to that or that it was an introduced bug - no, they were always able to be scribed by any deity, because it appears that they lacked the ability to actually restrict it. It just wasn't well known historically that you could scribe this stuff - people just assumed.

Note - There is also a Mass Imbue line of spells that came later. They left these not deity restricted for like 20hrs, so it's important to know which line (in context) that any discussion you read about this stuff refers to.

Here's some more evidence in like 30min of searching -

http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/showthread.php?t=5021 - by Klairen - 03-01-2002, 05:22 PM - First of all, they'd have to make the deity specific spells actually deity specific. All those imbue spells with CLR on them can be scribed by any cleric, regardless of who you worship.

http://www.eqcleric.com/archive/index.php/t-355.html - by Dyschord - 07-11-2003, 12:04 PM - "I do have some of the original imbues that were also not diety restricted when they put them out, but later added the restriction. I can't mem those, but they are still in my spellbook. " - Note, not that it matters for P99, but there's other posts that state they are memable.

https://forums.station.sony.com/eq/i...-pebble.44736/ - post #11 - ARCHIVED-Treeslayer, Feb 2, 2006 - "Unless they scribed them before the code was fixed to check deity."

http://mboards.eqtraders.com/eq/show...tulings-spawns - post # 8 - by Mileron - "Don't forget, too...

Prior to a change made in a patch early last summer, clerics were able to scribe Imbue spells for gems not of their deity.

So a Mith Marr cleric could very well have scribed Imbue Black Pearl. (as an example.)"

Also see posts #11

http://www.eqcleric.com/archive/index.php/t-6085.html - by Milletoux - 11-29-2003, 11:29 PM - "Very early on, you could scribe the spells for all deities, but they changed that so you can only scribe the ones for your own deity. However, if the spell was already scribed you could still use it."

http://www.eqcleric.com/archive/index.php/t-8366.html - by Pinzarn - 06-18-2004, 08:24 AM - For those lucky souls that scribed the spells before the deity restriction, they can imbue anything.

http://www.eqcleric.com/archive/index.php/t-7835.html - by Milletoux - 05-01-2004, 08:37 PM - You may hear of a few clerics -- myself included -- who are multi-deity imbuers. There are two ways this happened:

1. The cleric has been around forever and scribed all the single-use imbues before they were deity restricted.

http://www.elitegamerslounge.com/hom...?f=107&t=49568 - by yinlaBB - Mon Dec 04, 2006 12:27 am - I know originally the priests could scribe and mem all the gem imbue spells that their classes could have as a deity.I made a mistake with my wizzy and she is Quellious and can still imbue the Fire Opals which are Sol Ro. - Note, there is some discussion further down specific to the Mass Imbue spells, which also were not deity restricted for a bit, but unlike the single cast Imbue's, this was for like 20hrs. This poster is referring to the original single target imbues (note includes wiz and cleric lack of deity restrictions).

http://thedruidsgrove.org/archive/eq/t-9286.html - by Delores Mulva - 09-03-2004, 04:02 PM - It is not fair that some people scribed Imbue spells before deity restrictions were put on them.

http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/arch...hp?t-5056.html - by Balanar - 03-11-2002, 05:13 PM - I have 4 of the Imbue Spells scribed atm and I use them all. Have they fixed this or did I just get lucky?

http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/showthread.php?t=9626 - by Balanar again - 06-10-2002, 02:35 PM - Follower of Brell and was imbuein Emeralds just yesterday.

http://thedruidsgrove.org/archive/eq/t-320.html - by Aldane - 07-10-2003, 11:25 AM - There's a problem with that, Absor. Back when I was bringing up my druid, I was able to scribe both Imbue Plains Pebble and Imbue Emerald. Then, a patch made it so that the spells were unscribable unless you worshipped the proper diety. In that long ago patch message it mentioned that those that had scribed the imbues could continue to use them, but that new scribings would be diety restricted. So, with that said, I -- and many other older druids -- have been able to "normally cast" both imbues for quite a long time.

Since I have always been able to cast both imbues, will I be able to cast both mass imbues, or am I going to only be able to cast one of the mass imbues (which would suck, if I may be so blunt)?



So there you go.

[Daldaen]

Seems legit.

Make it so.

[Haynar]

I remember the change. I was not happy that I had not scribed them.

H

[Buellen]

Yep i to remember this change as i was not able to get the tuner imbue before it was changed grrrr.

[Daldaen]

Bump.

[Tameth]

I have invested platinums into this fix. bump.