most underpowered class in game?

[PatChapp]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why do you think Enchanters are the most OP class in the game?

It is due to their insane amount of utility that allows them to basically do whatever they want. Charm is not the core reason why Enchanters are OP. It is all the other stuff they can do around Charming that helps them with it.

There is a reason why the classes rated most powerful and can do the most also happen to have a lot of utility. Shamans are not the highest DPS class out there, but then can do better than just about every other class when it comes to soloing.

On the bottom end, the classes that are generally considered the worst are the pure DPS classes (Wizard, Rogue, Mage). It's really not that hard.

Max Cha pacify is most of an enchanters solo power,agreed. Being able to split almost anything into singles,walk your way to almost any camp. Rediculously powerful

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Charm is not the core reason why Enchanters are OP.

teeheehee, ok

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

teeheehee, ok

It's true. Without any other utility you would Charm a monster and typically it would get killed by the 3 other mobs surrounding it.

[PatChapp]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's true. Without any other utility you would Charm a monster and typically it would get killed by the 3 other mobs surrounding it.

That's a common way to clear placeholders and not get a faction hit in some zones to be fair

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by PatChapp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's a common way to clear placeholders and not get a faction hit in some zones to be fair

Oh I agree. I was wondering if someone would mention that hehe. But you aren't getting any XP or loot, so it is a very specific tactic usually done in specific zones like Chardok because it is dangerous to kill stuff the normal way in that zone, and slow.

I am not saying Charm isn't great by itself btw. I am just saying Charm is generally supported by the other utility an Enchanter has, which is what makes it so strong. Not so much in raids, but we aren't really discussing raids.

[Castle2.0]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mage probably is most underpowered 1-3 though. I remember making an erud mage on live and even with fire spell it took a few deaths before my melee skills were high enough to survive a fight against a level 1.

Now do Enchanter...

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why do you think Enchanters are the most OP class in the game?

It is due to their insane amount of utility that allows them to basically do whatever they want. Charm is not the core reason why Enchanters are OP. It is all the other stuff they can do around Charming that helps them with it.

There is a reason why the classes rated most powerful and can do the most also happen to have a lot of utility. Shamans are not the highest DPS class out there, but then can do better than just about every other class when it comes to soloing.

On the bottom end, the classes that are generally considered the worst are the pure DPS classes (Wizard, Rogue, Mage). It's really not that hard.

Enchanters aren't OP because of their utility, they are OP because the raw numbers they generate are better than any other class. Charm, Haste, Slow, Mana Regen. They simultaneously create and prevent more damage than any other class in the game. All their other utility would be almost pointless if they weren't able to meaningfully contribute to the "damage matrix".

Shaman is in the same boat. At 60 they are able to mitigate damage more efficiently AND to a greater degree than any other class in the game (not counting kiting here), plus have efficient damage generation (even if it's not great DPS solo; but giving 50% Haste to a group of melee IS great DPS), plus have high personal mana regen. Their "damage matrix" is the 2nd best in the game.

Wizards are considered one of the worst classes not because they are a pure DPS class, but because they are BAD at doing DPS.

Rogue and Mage are not considered among the worst classes, except by fools like you. Also, there isn't any class that is simply DPS anyway. Wizard has root, snare, stun, port. Rogue provides corpse recovery and sometimes better pulling with Sneak, pick lock can be helpful for a few areas, and with poisons they can actually snare/root/slow. Mage has resist debuff, coth, mod rod (and some other occasionally useful summons), and can tank/root with pet.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Enchanters aren't OP because of their utility, they are OP because the raw numbers they generate are better than any other class. Charm, Haste, Slow, Mana Regen. They simultaneously create and prevent more damage than any other class in the game. All their other utility would be almost pointless if they weren't able to meaningfully contribute to the "damage matrix".

Shaman is in the same boat. At 60 they are able to mitigate damage more efficiently AND to a greater degree than any other class in the game (not counting kiting here), plus have efficient damage generation (even if it's not great DPS solo; but giving 50% Haste to a group of melee IS great DPS), plus have high personal mana regen. Their "damage matrix" is the 2nd best in the game.

Wizards are considered one of the worst classes not because they are a pure DPS class, but because they are BAD at doing DPS.

Rogue and Mage are not considered among the worst classes, except by fools like you. Also, there isn't any class that is simply DPS anyway. Wizard has root, snare, stun, port. Rogue provides corpse recovery and sometimes better pulling with Sneak, pick lock can be helpful for a few areas, and with poisons they can actually snare/root/slow. Mage has resist debuff, coth, mod rod (and some other occasionally useful summons), and can tank/root with pet.

Lol so Haste, Slow, and Mana Regen are not utility?[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Maybe you just don't fully understand the term. Utility in general just means non DPS spells. I don't want to have to say "CC, Heals, Buffs, Charm, etc." every time.

And I never said Wizards, Rogues, and Mages have zero utility. You just don't seem to understand that Mages, Wizards, and Rogues are designed as DPS classes. That is why their kits mostly focus on damage, while not having large amounts of utility. This lack of utility is what makes them worse overall, and their DPS doesn't make up for it. Sorry.

[Jimjam]

Mage has haste.

And can buff other players pets with haste that stacks with spell haste.

Great point you’ve made in support of magicians there!

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mage has haste.

And can buff other players pets with haste that stacks with spell haste.

Great point you’ve made in support of magicians there!

It's just for their pet, and not all groups use muzzles. A Mage pet's DPS is not so amazing even with haste it transcends the need for other utility. This is why Mages don't do well at high levels.

Again, isn't it a strange coincidence that all the best classes in the game happen to have a large amount of utility?