Game Mechanics: Food size duration is not respected.

[mcoy]

Mccoy ate/drank mostly summoned stuff - so you might get some timers from his logs. Not sure if it helps starting out empty and knowing how many he had based on "you begin casting abundant drink" or what have you.

Qien should have fuzzlecutter in his logs if you're looking for the "enduring" duration too.

-Mcoy

[Rygar]

Dug a little deeper, certainly warrants further research. I verified Qien/Mccoy/Gdevash each purchased "Water Flask". I am not sure at this point what triggers a 'low on drink' message. Is it 1 item remaining? 2?

Qien Log
Low on drink interval timer = 46.5 seconds
Out of drink interval timer = 46.5 seconds
Low on food interval timer = 46.5 seconds
Out of food/drink interval timer = 46.5 seconds
[Tue Dec 11 21:10:37 2001] [52 Channeler] Qien (High Elf) <Viatores Norrathae> ZONE: commons
35 low on drink messages received 12/12/01
37 low on drink messages received 12/19/01

NOTE: had 'low on drink' messages in Northern Desert of Ro continue to go off every 46.5 seconds, as well as 'out of drink' messages in Ro/Oasis. Did not seem to affect total number of messages received.

[Wed Dec 19 18:18:37 2001] You have entered Southern Desert of Ro.
[Wed Dec 19 18:19:09 2001] You are low on drink.
[Wed Dec 19 18:19:57 2001] You are low on drink.
[Wed Dec 19 18:20:43 2001] You are low on drink.
[Wed Dec 19 18:21:30 2001] You are low on drink.
[Wed Dec 19 18:22:16 2001] You are low on drink.
[Wed Dec 19 18:23:03 2001] You are low on drink.
[Wed Dec 19 18:23:49 2001] You are low on drink.
[Wed Dec 19 18:24:36 2001] You are low on drink.
[Wed Dec 19 18:25:22 2001] You are low on drink.
[Wed Dec 19 18:26:09 2001] You are low on drink.
[Wed Dec 19 18:26:55 2001] You are low on drink.
[Wed Dec 19 18:27:42 2001] You are low on drink.
[Wed Dec 19 18:28:29 2001] You are low on drink.
[Wed Dec 19 18:29:15 2001] You are out of drink.
[Wed Dec 19 18:30:02 2001] You are out of drink.
[Wed Dec 19 18:30:48 2001] You are out of drink.
[Wed Dec 19 18:31:35 2001] You are out of drink.
[Wed Dec 19 18:32:21 2001] You are out of drink.


Gdevash Log
Low on drink interval timer = 42.5 seconds
Out of drink interval timer = 42.5 seconds
Out of drink low on food timer = 45 seconds
[Thu Jul 25 00:06:28 2002] [15 Beastlord] Gdevash (Vah Shir)
28 low on drink messages received 7/30/02 (zoned like a maniac.. possible some messages not received, not sure how timer restarts)


Mccoy Log
Low on drink interval timer = 46.5 seconds
[Sat Jul 27 00:45:14 2002] [33 Cleric] Mccoy (Human)
Only 5 messages logged 7/27/02, summoned drink before running out

Mashdem Log
Out of drink/food timer = 46.5 seconds
[Tue Jul 16 03:15:18 2002] [9 Warrior] Mashdem (Troll)

I have some 2006 EQMac logs showing a newbie ogre warrior going 95 'low on drink' messages before running out... not sure if the newbie drink had extraordinary properties.

[nilbog]

My baking conclusions - Everquest Message Board (archive.org)

This thread from 2000 states food is consumed every 30.5 minutes.


I would like an accurate pre-Apr2001 baseline. From my math, food/drink on p99 is currently eaten/drank approximately every 33.75 minutes.

Remaining steps:

1. Ensure consumption timer is correct pre-Apr2001
2. Create a modifier that will apply an accurate difference for duration, assuming that no food/drink post-Apr2001 is consumed at a faster rate than pre-Apr2001. (For example, if any post-Apr2001 has a lower duration than pre-Apr2001, that would seem strange, but if there is any evidence for it, please let me know).


Additionally, was any food or drink (not alcohol) clickable for force consumption prior to Apr2001?

[Rygar]

well, it certainly seemed to be around 28.5 mins in the Qien logs on average. Although, possible the food physically disappeared a message later or something like that, and who knows how zoning affected the timers.

It did appear the Desert drink consumption was bogus, or at the very least patched out with Luclin.

I'm not sure what my older logs show, i'll see if I find any pre-April 2001.

[nilbog]

Did some more work on this.

If food duration value 1 = 144 seconds, that would mean:

item name(value) = (value*144) in seconds

ration(15) = 36 minutes worth of -hunger (15*144/60)
iron ration(25) = 60 minutes worth of -hunger (25*144/60)
birthday cake slice(2) = 4.8 minutes worth of -hunger (2*144/60)


Does this seem accurate? Are there a few examples of known definitive food timers to check?

[Rygar]

Found some 2003 food timers listed, fairly comprehensive. Just curious that he seems to state the 'consumption period' is a bit randomized? For example a snack may be consumed every 2 minutes or every 10 minutes by his claim.

https://mboards.eqtraders.com/eq/for...rink-durations

Quoting here in case link breaks

 

got curious, which is a dangerous thing. So I made up a list of the durations of various foods and drinks in EQ. As near as I can tell, the number listed is the number of real-world minutes that the food or drink will last if you right click it. It lasts twice as long when eaten normally (without clicking it). Keep in mind that times will vary depending on who you are, whether you have a horse, and what zones you visit (for instance, water is used up faster in some desert zones).

It turns out there are about 500 types of food and more than 50 types of drink. More than 60 percent of the foods are 'meal', and most of the drinks are 'drink'. It appears that the categories are

1-5 snack/whistle wetter
6-20 meal/drink
21-30 hearty meal/refreshing drink
31-40 banquet size meal/lasting drink
41-50 feast/flowing drink
51-60 enduring meal/enduring drink
61-240 miraculous meal/miraculous drink

My spelling should be correct, although the capitalization isn't. I believe all player-made (or fished or foraged) items are listed, but there may be some store-bought items or rare drops still missing. (btw Dawnshroud Seeds, Arctic Clams, and Sewer Catfish do not exist. Also it seems that Honey Mush Bread and Catfish Croak Sandwich don't exist.)

Almost all of the information comes from Lucy (lucy.fnord.net). There are still about 20 items in the list for which I don't know the duration. None of the items actually have parentheses -- all the comments in parentheses are my notes.

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Snack
?? Prickly Pear (lore) (snack)
1 Razor fungus spores
2 Birthday Cake Slice
2 Nepeta Cataria Mint
2 Wedding Cake Slice
3 Boiled Rockhopper Egg (nodrop)
3 Candied Spider
3 Rockhopper Egg (nodrop)
4 Cookies
4 Muffin (b)
4 Noodles
4 Tasty Candy
5 Alligator Egg
5 Animal Shaped Cookie
5 Armadillo Husk
5 Barbarian Shaped Cookie
5 Bixie Berry Buns
5 Cactus Tart
5 Chocolate Cookies
5 Chocolate Marr Cherries
5 Chocolate Muffins
5 Clump of Dough
5 Cup Cakes
5 Freshly Cleaned Vegetables
5 Gnome Shaped Cookie
5 Hot Cross Buns
5 Ice Berry Muffin
5 Jumjum Stalk (a) (merchant)
5 Jumjum Stalk (b) (stolen)
5 Jumjum Stalk (c) (nillipuss)
5 Kromdul Carrot
5 Miller Carrot
5 Mudcomb Muffin
5 Muffin (a)
5 Nifilik Egg
5 Owlbear Bone Chew
5 Payala Fruit
5 Pixie Powder Cinnesticks
5 Seahorse Roe
5 Snake Egg
5 Summoned Cake (norent)
5 Swamp Vegetables
5 Tea Leaves
5 tiny Fetid Bass
5 Troll Shaped Cookie
5 Vegetables
5 White Chocolate Cookies
5 White Chocolate
5 White Chocolate Muffins
5 Winter Chocolate

Meal
?? Chub Fillet (meal)
?? Dung Crawlers (meal)
?? Kedge Carp (meal)
?? Pickled Dragon (meal)
?? Pickled Dryad (meal)
?? Pickled Gnoll (meal)
?? Pickled Sifaye (meal)
?? Pickled Unicorn (meal)
?? Pike Fillet (meal)
?? Pot of Spicy Fish Stew (nodrop) (meal?)
?? Sonic Wolf Sandwich (meal)
?? Trout Fillet (meal)
6 Candied Cockroach
6 Dried Wolf Ear
6 Edible Goo
6 Hearty meat sauce
6 High Elf Flesh
6 Human Flesh
6 Marinated Mushroom Bits
6 Pixie Pickles
7 Burnt Loaf of Bread
7 Cactus pie
7 Spongy Fungal Fiend Flesh
8 Anaconda meat
8 Armadillo meat
8 Ashweed
8 Azure Nightshade
8 Bag of Sea Salt
8 Bamboo Shoot
8 Berries
8 Black Root
8 Bread Crumbs
8 Bug Bites
8 Cactus Pulp
8 Carrot
8 Cheese
8 Chunk of meat
8 Cinnamon Sticks
8 Cockatrice Egg
8 Crawdad
8 Crunchy Crawlers
8 Earthworm Munch
8 Elf pickles
8 Emerald Orange
8 Frontier Stink Beetles
8 Frost Turnip
8 Fruit
8 Giant Hornet Egg
8 Glow Lichen
8 Gnome Kabobs
8 Gnome pickles
8 Gorge Moss
8 Gouda Cheese
8 Grapes
8 Halfling pickles
8 Honey Berry
8 Hopeless Willow Moss
8 Kejekan Palm Fruit
8 Letalis Zenith Vine
8 Lettuce
8 Lichen Roots
8 Lump of Zelniak Fat
8 Marr Cherries
8 Mud Crabs
8 Mushroom
8 Mushroom Bread
8 Owlbear marrow meatcakes
8 Plains Roots
8 Rathe Berries
8 Red Sands Cactus
8 Ripened Yellow Starfruit
8 Rockhopper meat
8 Roots
8 Shrub Lettuce (nodrop)
8 Snake Pickles
8 Speckled Toadstool
8 Sylvan Berries
8 Thunderhoof Mushroom
8 Vein Worm
8 Wild Blueberries
8 Wild Cabbage
8 Wild Crimson Berries
8 Wild Radish
8 Zelniak meat
9 Moor fish pie
9 Pickled bixie
9 Pickled gator
9 Pickled lizard
9 Pickled Troll
10 Alligator Eggs
10 Apricot Marmalade
10 Arctic king crab
10 Arctic mussels
10 Arctic scallop
10 Bag of Caynar Nuts
10 Basilisk Eggs
10 Bear meat stew
10 Beetle Bake
10 Boiled snake stew
10 Bunny stew
10 Cauldron Prawn
10 Cavern Fishcakes
10 Cavern Mackerel
10 Cobalt Abalone
10 Cobalt Rock Crab
10 Cream
10 Creamy Fennel Sauce
10 Dark Chocolate Creme
10 Darkpine Acorns
10 Dawnflower Seeds
10 Dried Payala Chips
10 Dwarf pickles
10 Fishcakes
10 Fresh Piranha
10 Grimling stew
10 Honeyed Payala Jam
10 Iceclad Shrimp
10 Krup Guppy
10 Lichen Clover Sweet Bread
10 Lion meat stew
10 Loaf of Bread
10 Muckskipper Fish
10 Owlbear Egg
10 Owlbear Stuffed Mushroom
10 Paludal Snapper
10 Phoenix Dough
10 Pickled drake
10 Pickled Faun
10 Pickled frost giant
10 Pickled Storm Giant
10 Pickled Wurm
10 Pickled Wyvern
10 Pouch of Kejek Catnip
10 Pound Cake
10 Rabbit meat
10 Rabbit stew (a)
10 Ro Dates
10 Rockhopper stew
10 Rockweed Bulb
10 Royal Mints
10 Sand Crabs
10 Saucy bunnymeat
10 Scorpion Sandwich
10 Silt Slider Egg
10 Siren Pickles
10 Small Clam
10 Sonic Wolf Delight
10 Thick Lotus Paste
10 Vegetable pie
10 Wolf stew
12 Grilled Rat Ears (lore)
12 Grimling Smoked Jerky
12 Human pickles
12 Orc pickles
12 Paladin pickles
12 Paludal Beetle Crunchies
12 Rockhopper Pickles
12 Slice of Jumjum Cake
15 2lb Fetid Bass
15 Barren Flounder
15 Batwing pie
15 Beetle eye pie
15 Birthday Cake (b) (norent)
15 Blackened Pepper Snake (norent)
15 Boar Carp
15 Cauldron Trout
15 Cave Guppy
15 Chokai Bass
15 Chunk of Ogre Flesh
15 Clam Chowder
15 Clockwork koi
15 Cobalt Cod
15 Cobalt Cup Cakes
15 Cold water barracuda meat
15 Coldain pickles
15 Crystalline Cave Fish
15 Danak Grouper
15 Deadly Medley
15 Despair Chub
15 Dragon Bay Snapper
15 Dried Froglok Leg
15 Dried Star Angelfish
15 Dwarf Flesh (nodrop)
15 Evergreen Salmon
15 Festive Birthday Cake Slice (norent)
15 Festive Wedding Cake Slice (norent)
15 Filleted Bear
15 Filleted Lion
15 Filleted Mammoth
15 Filleted Wolf
15 Fogwater Trout
15 Fresh Fish
15 Freshly Baked Payala Tart
15 Frosty Cave Trout
15 Frozen Sea Biscuits
15 giant Fetid Bass (22lbs)
15 Giant Halibut
15 Giant Snapper
15 Gnome sandwich (norent)
15 Greengill Salmon
15 Grilled Cheese Sandwich
15 Grotto Bluegill
15 Gunthak Mackerel
15 Hatch Dace
15 Highland Pike
15 Hound Pike
15 Iceclad Cutlassfish
15 Ikfish
15 Issued Rations (nodrop)
15 Kerra Catfish
15 Koada Cichlid
15 Kunzar koi
15 large Fetid Bass (20lbs)
15 large Fetid Bass (21lbs)
15 Marinated Owlbear Kabob (norent)
15 Marmalade Sandwich
15 Meat pie (a)
15 Nepeta Mint Chocolate (norent)
15 Nightmare Cichlid
15 Pine Cichlid
15 Pouch of Frozen Roots
15 Quellian koi
15 Rat ear pie
15 Rathe Muskie
15 Ration
15 Red Roughy
15 Rivervale Trout
15 Rujarkian Chub
15 Rygorrian Toothfish
15 Saffron Spiced Mussels (norent)
15 Salty Whitefish
15 Sea Green Cookies
15 Seared Sea Bass (a) (norent)
15 Seared Sea Bass (b) (norent)
15 Shawerma Sandwich
15 Steamed Vegetable Feast (norent)
15 Stonefish
15 Storm Salmon
15 Summoned Black Bread (norent)
15 Swamp Roll
15 Thulian Mudskipper
15 Thunder Salmon
15 Timorous Tuna
15 Tundrabear Sandwich (nodrop)
15 Ulthork meat
15 Vallorian Discus
15 Victory Cake Slice (norent)
15 Weary Wrass
15 Wedding Cake (b) (norent)
15 Whipped Hunkle Pear Pie
15 Wulf Fish
15 Wyvern Flesh Pie
16 Batwing Crunchies
16 Meat pie (b)
16 Rat Ear Sandwich
17 Fish Fillets
17 Rat Kabobs
17 Saucy bearmeat
17 Wooly Spider Crunchies
18 3lb Fetid Bass
18 Beer Braised Bear
18 Beer Braised Gator
18 Beer Braised Lion
18 Beer Braised Rat
18 Beer Braised Wolf
18 Bixie Crunchies
18 Elven Bread
18 Pickled froglok
18 Rat Sandwich
18 Smoked Wood Elf
18 Spicy ulthork meat
20 4lb Fetid Bass
20 Bear sandwich
20 Birthday Cake (a)
20 Bixie berry pie
20 Blackened Panther
20 Blackened Teir'Dal
20 Carp Fillets
20 Dwarf chops
20 Elven Veal
20 Fruit pie
20 Gator Steaks
20 Glazed payala pie
20 HEHE Meat
20 Hot-N-Spicy Toelings
20 Kobold Steaks
20 Lion Delight (nodrop)
20 Lizard-on-a-Stick
20 Lucky Cabbage
20 Mammoth Sandwich
20 Mature Cheese
20 Owlbear Sandwich
20 Prepared Fish
20 Prepared Green Gill
20 Prepared Thunder Salmon
20 Prepared Weary Wrass
20 Raptor Steak
20 Salmon Fillets
20 Snake Steak
20 Snow bunny stew (nodrop)
20 Sonic Wolf Steaks
20 Wedding Cake (a)
20 Wolf Steaks
20 Wolf Sandwich


Hearty Meal
?? Smoked Shark (hearty meal)
?? Tae Ew Skewers (hearty meal)
21 Aviak Eggs
21 large Fetid Bass (18lbs)
21 large Fetid Bass (19lbs)
21 Yakman Steak
22 5lb Fetid Bass
22 Jumjum Cake
24 6lb Fetid Bass
24 Buttered Crawdad
24 Dragon Steaks
25 Bear Steaks
25 Berry pie
25 Clamcakes
25 Crunchy Coldain Head (nodrop)
25 Drake Egg
25 Elven trail mix
25 gigantic Fetid Bass (23lbs) (nodrop)
25 Griffon Eggs
25 Honey berry pie
25 Iron Ration
25 Lion Steaks
25 Omelette du Fromage
25 Orange Flavored Cod
25 Owlbear Steaks
25 Royal Jelly
25 Salted Fish
25 Shark Fillet
25 Ulthork meat pie (nodrop)
25 Vegetable soup
26 7lb Fetid Bass
27 Fish head soup
27 Rabbit stew (b)
28 8lb Fetid Bass
28 Ranger's Omelet
30 9lb Fetid Bass
30 Bear Fillet in Cream
30 Bread Cakes* (nodrop)
30 Cluster of Kelp
30 Gnoll chops
30 humongous Fetid Bass (25lbs)
30 Jumjum salad
30 Large Brine Shrimp
30 Lion Fillet in Cream
30 Mammoth Fillet in Cream
30 Mammoth Steaks
30 Mosquito Rations* (nodrop)
30 Pasta with cheese
30 Pasta with meat sauce
30 Pinemyer Pasta
30 Rat Ear Turnovers
30 Snow Griffin Souffle (nodrop)
30 Storm Salmon Fillet
30 Wolf Fillet in Cream
30 Vegetable Pasta


Banquet Sized Meal
31 Dryad Pate
31 Frost Giant Steak
31 Icy Mushrooms
31 Potameid Pate
31 Storm Giant Steak
31 Vegetable Roughy
32 10lb Fetid Bass
34 11lb Fetid Bass
35 Barbecued Erudite
35 Beer Braised Mammoth
35 Fish in Cream Sauce
35 Fish Rolls
35 Gator Rolls
35 Patty Melt
35 Rolled Cutlassfish
35 Shark Rolls
35 Thunder Salmon in Cream
35 Weary Wrass in Cream
36 12lb Fetid Bass
37 Caynar Nut Stuffed Trout
38 13lb Fetid Bass
40 14lb Fetid Bass
40 Anaconda Casserole
40 Anaconda stir fry
40 Griffon Casserole
40 Griffon stir fry
40 Wurm Egg


Feast
?? Sea Cucumber Soup (feast)
41 Muskie Marinade
42 15lb Fetid Bass
44 16lb Fetid Bass
45 Breaded Storm Salmon
45 Centi Steaks
45 Centi Toe Stew
45 Chokidai Jerky
45 Dragon Egg
45 Giant Halibut Steak
45 Giant Snapper Steak
45 Jord meat pie
45 Mephit Sandwich
45 Mind Worm Steaks
45 Phoenix Egg
45 Shellcracker's Seaside Salad
46 17lb Fetid Bass
50 Abalone Steaks
50 Anaconda Melt
50 Cheesy Anaconda Casserole
50 Cheesy Griffon Casserole
50 Cheesy Vegetable Casserole
50 Griffon Melt
50 Justice Fruit
50 Tae Ew Sandwich
50 Vann toe stew

Enduring Meal
55 Breaded Giant Halibut
55 Breaded Giant Snapper
55 Swamp Rat Crunchies
60 Blood raven stew
60 Crispy Gourami
60 Deep Cavern Toadstool
60 Habanero Pepper
60 Hobgoblin surprise
60 Mephit meat pie
60 Sea urchin stew

Miraculous Meal
?? Bristlebanes Party Platter (miraculous meal?)
?? Karana's Heartfruit Salad (might not exist)
?? Tae Ew Soup (miraculous meal)
70 Grilled Eel
70 Large slumberfish pie
70 Ohabah Truffles
70 Tae Ew Roll
80 Boar chops
80 Bucket of Crab Legs
80 Halas 10lb meat pie
80 Hero Sandwich
80 Justice fruit pies
80 Triloun tail soup
90 Lotus pie
100 A sandwich of foul smelling herbs
100 Shrieker Spores
100 Slarghilug Stuffed Poppers
100 Tae Ew Pie
110 Holy Cake
120 Candied Tae Ew
120 Misty Thicket Picnic
120 Mum's Pie
120 Tormentor Stir Fry
130 Dried Seaweed


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Whistle Wetter
?? Spiced Grimroot Tea
-1 Spiced Hollow palm tea (nodrop) (yes negative one)
-1 Sweet Payala Nectar (yes negative one)
0 Underbulk Bile (norent) (yes zero)
5 Brackish Water
5 Malted Milk

Drink
?? Flask of Rathe Berry Juice
8 Bottle of Milk
8 Flask of berry juice
8 Flask of Fruit Juice
8 Neriak Nectar
10 Flask of Sylvan Berry Juice
10 Liquidised Gator
10 Liquidised Rat
10 Liquidised Snake
10 Root Beer Float
10 Stormguard Root Beer
10 Tagglefoot Tingle Drink
12 Bladder of Lizard Milk
13 Flask of Karana Brown Tea
15 Flask of Bloodwater
15 Flask of Icy Water
15 Issued Water (nodrop)
15 Large Bottle of Milk
15 Purified Water
15 Skin of Slush Water
15 Soda Water
15 Summoned Globe of Water (norent)
15 Water Flask
16 Pod of Water
17 Glob of Slush Water
18 Crow's Special Brew
18 Flask of Orange Juice
20 Egg Nog
20 Fizzlepop
20 Oasis Water

Refreshing Drink
25 Bladder of Otter Milk
25 Flask of Sweetwater (nodrop)
25 Jumjum Juice
30 Pickled Gukta Juice
30 Sacred Water (nodrop)
30 Skin of Milk (nodrop)
30 Steamfont Spring Water
30 Surefall Sap

Lasting Drink


Flowing Drink
45 Canteen of Slush Water
45 Fizzy Odus Juice
45 Sarnak Travel Canteen

Enduring Drink
60 Fuzzlecutter Formula 5000
60 Louie's Thick 'n Hearty

Miraculous Drink
70 Surefall Ranger's Trail Juice
80 Grobb liquidized meat
85 Qeynos Afternoon Tea
100 Planar Blood Brew
100 Vile Sarnak Brew
110 Innothule Triple-Bile
120 Kaladim Constitutional
240 Twice Brewed Constitutional (nodrop)

EDIT: I think I misunderstood his initial classification. Consumption period isn't random, each category (such as meal) can have individual meals that have different consumption timers.

EDIT #2: Spot checked and Lucy lists the same timers which is the 'right click duration'. So regularly eating these should last twice as long.