blade of carnage bad at lvl 60?

[Ostepop]

Originally Posted by Synthlol [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Warriors get a 45% return above softcap.



Shield AC adds to softcap and worn AC both. So it basically ensure you get 100% AC from a shield, even if you are at your softcap. No reduced AC returns from shields.

This is straight from Haynar.

While he has confirmed that the era-appropriate softcap on total (ie displayed) AC has been implemented, to my knowledge he has never confirmed or denied whether the classic era worn AC hardcap is in place. At its classic values, most players would be hitting the worn AC hardcap once they loot a handful of endgame velious pieces.

I was wondering if parses of tanks using a shield vs high end content exists. From my admittedly vague understanding of the way shield ac works, wouldn't it be significant for mitigation in some cases?

[Legidias]

High end content at like lvl 65+ don't give a shit about your mitigation (at least from a difference of 50AC). The level difference basically makes it so they either miss or hit max damage.

[Arkanjil]

[Wed Dec 05 08:20:55 2018] The Avatar of War hits YOU for 726 points of damage.
[Wed Dec 05 08:20:55 2018] The Avatar of War hits YOU for 479 points of damage.
[Wed Dec 05 08:20:55 2018] The Avatar of War hits YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Wed Dec 05 08:20:56 2018] The Avatar of War hits YOU for 726 points of damage.
[Wed Dec 05 08:20:56 2018] The Avatar of War hits YOU for 344 points of damage.
[Wed Dec 05 08:20:56 2018] The Avatar of War hits YOU for 726 points of damage.
[Wed Dec 05 08:20:56 2018] The Avatar of War hits YOU for 726 points of damage.
[Wed Dec 05 08:20:56 2018] The Avatar of War tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Wed Dec 05 08:20:56 2018] The Avatar of War executes a FLURRY of attacks on Darkmannx!
[Wed Dec 05 08:20:56 2018] The Avatar of War tries to kick YOU, but misses!
[Wed Dec 05 08:20:58 2018] The Avatar of War hits YOU for 726 points of damage.
[Wed Dec 05 08:20:58 2018] The Avatar of War hits YOU for 726 points of damage.
[Wed Dec 05 08:20:58 2018] You slash The Avatar of War for 72 points of damage.
[Wed Dec 05 08:20:58 2018] The Avatar of War tries to hit YOU, but YOU riposte!
[Wed Dec 05 08:21:00 2018] The Avatar of War hits YOU for 726 points of damage.
[Wed Dec 05 08:21:00 2018] The Avatar of War tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Wed Dec 05 08:21:00 2018] The Avatar of War hits YOU for 726 points of damage.
[Wed Dec 05 08:21:00 2018] The Avatar of War hits YOU for 726 points of damage.
[Wed Dec 05 08:21:00 2018] The Avatar of War hits YOU for 726 points of damage.
[Wed Dec 05 08:21:00 2018] The Avatar of War hits YOU for 546 points of damage.
[Wed Dec 05 08:21:00 2018] The Avatar of War hits YOU for 524 points of damage.
[Wed Dec 05 08:21:00 2018] The Avatar of War executes a FLURRY of attacks on Darkmannx!
[Wed Dec 05 08:21:00 2018] The Avatar of War tries to bash YOU, but YOU riposte!
[Wed Dec 05 08:21:01 2018] The Avatar of War hits YOU for 726 points of damage.
[Wed Dec 05 08:21:01 2018] The Avatar of War hits YOU for 569 points of damage.
[Wed Dec 05 08:21:01 2018] The Avatar of War hits YOU for 434 points of damage.
[Wed Dec 05 08:21:17 2018] The Avatar of War bashes YOU for 302 points of damage.
[Wed Dec 05 08:21:18 2018] The Avatar of War tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Wed Dec 05 08:21:18 2018] The Avatar of War hits YOU for 726 points of damage.
[Wed Dec 05 08:21:18 2018] The Avatar of War hits YOU for 456 points of damage.
[Wed Dec 05 08:21:18 2018] The Avatar of War hits YOU for 591 points of damage.
[Wed Dec 05 08:21:18 2018] The Avatar of War hits YOU for 726 poi
[Wed Dec 05 08:21:18 2018] The Avatar of War executes a FLURRY of attacks on Darkmannx

At 1487ac, here's some rounds from AOW while defensive. 726 is his max hit while defensive.

[Freakish]

Use something that's not AOW. He has the highest attack in game and isn't typical.

[Ostepop]

AoW is not presenting DI20 hits exclusively, so Legidias' statement appears to be incorrect.

[Xaeophi]

Whats the last two pages have to do with blade of carnage

[Arkanjil]

Jorlleag melee

[Thu Dec 06 00:06:01 2018] Jorlleag claws YOU for 172 points of damage.
[Thu Dec 06 00:06:01 2018] Jorlleag claws YOU for 750 points of damage.
[Thu Dec 06 00:06:01 2018] Jorlleag claws YOU for 719 points of damage.
[Thu Dec 06 00:06:12 2018] Jorlleag kicks YOU for 182 points of damage.
[Thu Dec 06 00:06:12 2018] Jorlleag tries to claw YOU, but misses!
[Thu Dec 06 00:06:12 2018] Jorlleag claws YOU for 384 points of damage.
[Thu Dec 06 00:06:12 2018] You pierce Jorlleag for 39 points of damage.
[Thu Dec 06 00:06:12 2018] Jorlleag tries to claw YOU, but YOU riposte!
[Thu Dec 06 00:06:23 2018] Jorlleag tries to claw YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Thu Dec 06 00:06:23 2018] Jorlleag tries to claw YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Thu Dec 06 00:06:23 2018] Jorlleag claws YOU for 750 points of damage.
[Thu Dec 06 00:06:34 2018] Jorlleag claws YOU for 506 points of damage.
[Thu Dec 06 00:06:34 2018] Jorlleag tries to claw YOU, but misses!
[Thu Dec 06 00:06:34 2018] Jorlleag claws YOU for 324 points of damage.
[Thu Dec 06 00:06:34 2018] Jorlleag claws YOU for 202 points of damage.
[Thu Dec 06 00:06:45 2018] Jorlleag tries to kick YOU, but misses!
[Thu Dec 06 00:06:45 2018] Jorlleag claws YOU for 750 points of damage.
[Thu Dec 06 00:06:45 2018] Jorlleag claws YOU for 750 points of damage.
[Thu Dec 06 00:06:45 2018] Jorlleag tries to claw YOU, but misses!

Vulak Melee

[Thu Dec 06 14:29:19 2018] Vulak`Aerr claws YOU for 954 points of damage.
[Thu Dec 06 14:29:19 2018] Vulak`Aerr tries to claw YOU, but misses!
[Thu Dec 06 14:29:19 2018] Vulak`Aerr claws YOU for 596 points of damage.
[Thu Dec 06 14:29:19 2018] Vulak`Aerr claws YOU for 954 points of damage.
[Thu Dec 06 14:29:31 2018] Vulak`Aerr claws YOU for 309 points of damage.
[Thu Dec 06 14:29:31 2018] Vulak`Aerr claws YOU for 739 points of damage.
[Thu Dec 06 14:29:31 2018] Vulak`Aerr tries to claw YOU, but misses!
[Thu Dec 06 14:29:31 2018] Vulak`Aerr claws YOU for 954 points of damage.
[Thu Dec 06 14:29:39 2018] Vulak`Aerr claws YOU for 954 points of damage.
[Thu Dec 06 14:29:39 2018] You slash Vulak`Aerr for 73 points of damage.
[Thu Dec 06 14:29:39 2018] Vulak`Aerr tries to claw YOU, but YOU riposte!
[Thu Dec 06 14:29:39 2018] Vulak`Aerr claws YOU for 810 points of damage.
[Thu Dec 06 14:29:39 2018] Vulak`Aerr tries to claw YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Thu Dec 06 14:29:39 2018] Vulak`Aerr tries to claw YOU, but YOU riposte!
[Thu Dec 06 14:29:39 2018] Vulak`Aerr claws YOU for 488 points of damage.
[Thu Dec 06 14:29:39 2018] Vulak`Aerr tries to claw YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Thu Dec 06 14:29:39 2018] Vulak`Aerr executes a FLURRY of attacks on Darkmannx!
[Thu Dec 06 14:29:39 2018] Vulak`Aerr bashes YOU for 284 points of damage.

Here's a few more samples

[Sonderbeast]

That's a lot of damage

[Hibbs]

Originally Posted by Arkanjil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here's a few more samples

Now you're just being a show off [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Legidias [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

High end content at like lvl 65+ don't give a shit about your mitigation (at least from a difference of 50AC). The level difference basically makes it so they either miss or hit max damage.

Only 50% of hits were max in the examples given, so I guess there was some mitigation...

However, isn't such content clear strategy designed around landing a cheal on the tank every round and hoping for a couple of misses when flurry 'procs'?

Conversely in group content I remember trying to investigate AC while levelling up my ranger. I wanted to see how different races mitigate; it turned out in KC that any 51+ melee took the same average hit of ~78 damage. The only thing that separated melees for tanking was how much hp they had (so how often they needed chealing) and their ratio between hits and misses (their avoidance: largely a product of their defence skill and whether they had block or parry).

It looks like in either context AC is of limited value; it is trivial to accumulate enough AC to tank xp content and in raiding you just want enough hp to survive a worst case scenario round ready for the cheal chain?