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Same issue as boxing, it was classic but better hardware and no monthly fee opens it up to more players. This is an issue that should be resolved with a policy change rather than a balance change, I hope Haynar takes a moment to consider this perspective before pushing nerfs just because he doesn't like the class. There's no issue with swarming if you boot the swarmers out of starting zones -- realistically, how many new players level in OT/LS/Karanas? Why do you think sony gave bards the best move speed buff in the game with AoE's that do like 6 damage? Why do you think one of the first Kunark spells was an AoE slow? Swarming was clearly intended to be in the game. Disclaimer: I don't even swarm kite and my bard is already leveled, I just hate seeing very non-classic game balance changes like what Haynar is alluding to when other obtuse-as-fuck game mechanics with significantly further reaching game balance consequences like AoN are intentionally left in only because they're "classic." I have nothing to gain or lose one way or another. | |||
Last edited by Xaanka; 06-14-2015 at 06:49 PM..
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Did you really say that the number of people swarming isn't classic? That statement makes no sense, you know that right?
I see statements like this a lot. That is like saying people play monks too often and it isn't classic. Mechanics can or cannot be classic. What people do with those mechanics cannot be classified as classic or not. That is just ridiculous. | ||
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I'm with you on that. Anyone who's remotely familiar with the bard's abilities should be able to tell that swarm kiting mobs was a mechanic that Sony intended to be in the game. Without swarm kiting what is the use of the AoE songs? Why did Sony give Bards a swarm kiting song as the second song they get in Kunark (hint: to help them push for 60 by swarm kiting, regardless of if this is what people actually do or not) Why are Horns in the game? All of these are questions that people can't answer, if they think swarming isn't classic. I'm just posting in hopes Haynar takes a moment to consider the points I'm bringing up before he pushes for Bard nerfs. Just trying to constructively offer what I think to be better solutions to the problem. | |||
Last edited by Xaanka; 06-14-2015 at 07:30 PM..
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Im outrunning aviaks in SK with jboots. Gross exaggeration to say they are out running sow. They are faster though for sure
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Again, knowledge of the class and game mechanics was the limiting factor for swarm kiting back in classic, you don't need to pull the zone for it to be fast -- even on peasant-tier hardware you could render 20-30 mobs. Plenty of bards on Ayonae Ro and Xegony swarmed, where I played. SoE was well aware of swarming, and never nerfed it - instead, they gave bards an AoE snare to assist in swarming in the game's first expansion. | |||
Last edited by Xaanka; 06-14-2015 at 08:59 PM..
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Honestly I could be off on the price but the first 128 card didn't come out until '99. And they were like 150 Hz cards. Theres no way a card like that could render that many moving models without insane frame rate droppage. And ya lag spikes still occured on a T1. | |||
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