Shut down the casinos

[Derubael]

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Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A scam is a scam. It doesn't really matter what the scam was or how it was pulled off. Standard procedure is to ban the scammer, then review the items that were taken and see if they're still present/what happened to them. Sometimes we can recover items and give them back - other times we can't.

What if, for example, Arrowed doesn't have a Fungi Tunic? I'm not going to create one just because someone lost a dice roll! Casino at your own risk, just like everything else on Project 1999 - it's not our responsibility to babysit your trades! We have lots of other things to do without adding something easily avoidable to the petition queue.

Trust no one! Never share account info! Don't hand money/items over for nothing! These are really simple, easy to follow tenants that will save both the CSR staff and the players a ton of trouble. While scamming will always be against the Fraud section of our server rules, I'm going to repeat myself for the 500th time: There is no guarantee you will get your items back. If you get scammed, just assume your items are gone forever, that way you'll be pleasantly surprised if they get reimbursed.

Lastly, I'd love to see casino's banned for a number of reasons, some of which I'm not going to share. Obviously the scamming is a big issue, as is the spam, but really that's just a small part of why these need to be removed. At our next GM meeting it's on our "talking points" list. Some of you might be surprised to find out this is actually a big priority for me and something I've been casually pushing for months now. It wasn't until recently when it started getting really bad that it became clear we'd need to sit down and have a discussion about it.

tl;dr: be more careful/use common sense, casino ban hopefully incoming.

After I made this post, I considered an alternative to just shutting the casinos down. Some kind of licensing system for people wanting to run a casino, where all trades/transactions would need to be documented. To be perfectly honest, this would require a lot of work on my part, but would solve all current issues with casinos and complete my agenda without needing to actually ban them.

It's still in the air, and will be discussed next GM meeting. I know that Sirken and myself are gunning for a straight ban, but the licensing system I have in mind is doable.

[funhorroryes]

pretty sure richgirl never scammed anyone ever in the history of everness

[tanknspank]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Some kind of licensing system for people wanting to run a casino, where all trades/transactions would need to be documented.

I have no idea how EQ servers/emu work, but isn't there a log of trades that could be used to build a tracing tool?

If you guys go with the licencing system, any chance to add a casino channel for their spam?

Personally I'm more a fan of banning. Even in classic casinos weren't allowed everywhere (seems it was a server by server thing). The two servers I played on in 99-00 (Rodcet and Lanys) didn't have at the time (not sure if people just didn't think of it or if GMs cracked down) and the one I was a guide on (Tholuxe, though this was a bit later on) we issued warnings for casinos.

[fastboy21]

The only issue I have with casinos is that it could be a way to "launder" plat for rmt.

Other than that, using guide/GM/dev resources to undo or fix these scammers seems like a waste of resources...of course, this is a volunteer project, so if someone really wants to put their energy into this that's up to them.

It just seems easier to say don't play, you might lose even if you win...and odds are you'll be shit out of luck.

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I know that Sirken and myself are gunning for a straight ban

Do it sir

[littlebobby3]

As a employee at a actual Casino. Just Don't do it !! Odds will NEVER be in your favor. And when i hear about petitioning about getting scammed, just reminds me of all the players at work whining and blaming me for taking all their money.

[FatMice]

^^ Well that is about to get deleted....

Just woke up to that...

Please ban this guy.

[Tantrix]

Originally Posted by littlebobby3 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As a employee at a actual Casino. Just Don't do it !! Odds will NEVER be in your favor. And when i hear about petitioning about getting scammed, just reminds me of all the players at work whining and blaming me for taking all their money.

And yet, nobody forces them to go there and gamble their money.

[fishingme]

Originally Posted by littlebobby3 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As a employee at a actual Casino. Just Don't do it !! Odds will NEVER be in your favor. And when i hear about petitioning about getting scammed, just reminds me of all the players at work whining and blaming me for taking all their money.

yeah it's terrible, and when you make the odds in your favor by counting cards you either get escorted out and lose all your winnings or the police get called on you /sigh

[myriverse]

They don't take your winnings. They just demand you leave.