Patch Notes: Sunday, April 7th, 2019

[Jimjam]

I'm glad to see the important issue of half elf starting notes is being addressed in the last few patches.

Can half elf warriors predating these patches petition to receive the correct note or should we reroll?

[Pyrrhica]

God forbid players clear to a dragon to receive their loot. The whining in here is amazing. ToV was always a difficult time sink on live.

[Slivur]

If you think having to clear trash is an unnecessary and annoying time sink, you all would have LOVED Vex Thall back in the day. Get over it. We can’t be casual and still get the best loot available. Well sorry but that is totally classic. Casual guilds weren’t in ToV during Velious. Hence the term hardcore raid guild was coined. So if you want it truly classic, only a few truly dedicated guilds would be there and they would be killing trash to get to dragons. Just how I remember it on live.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Slivur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you think having to clear trash is an unnecessary and annoying time sink, you all would have LOVED Vex Thall back in the day. Get over it. We can’t be casual and still get the best loot available. Well sorry but that is totally classic. Casual guilds weren’t in ToV during Velious. Hence the term hardcore raid guild was coined. So if you want it truly classic, only a few truly dedicated guilds would be there and they would be killing trash to get to dragons. Just how I remember it on live.

P99 is not live, and this has nothing to do with "hardcore" or "casual". Live had what, three "top guilds" competing in ToV at once? At most, on some servers, for less than a year. P99 has at times (per GM Braknar) 8 forces in ToV, and this has been going on in that zone for years now (well, maybe not all 8 guilds, but raid drama). That's longer than the one year ToV was ever relevant on live; remember Luclin came out a year after it was released.

So no, it's not anything like live was, and unless the staff starts banning tons of guilds off the server it will never be classic. The only solutions are unclassic ones: our current (extremely unclassic) system, rotations (classic on some servers, but definitely not classic accross the board), instances (also extremely unclassic, but the staff seems to be warming to them), etc.

[Vapos]

Can't wait to find out how many players can fit on Dagarn ledge.

[Wallicker]

Europa/Omni/PS
AM
Core
AG

Seems to me 4 at most? And sometimes Core/Ag team up
HoT shouldn’t count toward this number.

Where is 8 “forces” coming from?

I think a 5 min FTE lockout would be better than this root situation... get FTE and now your guild has 5 minutes of no one interfering for a clean pull. This could have easily been a player agreement.

[shortshot444]

It could definitely be interesting and possibly fun. Hope it doesn't turn out like Trackanon where guilds rush to be first and trains happen over and over. The server crawl sure had some fun moments.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Wallicker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Where is 8 “forces” coming from?

[1:23 PM] Braknar: Has there ever been 8 guilds competing for ToV?
[1:24 PM] Braknar: Have you been online to watch the shit show that ensues?

In context that seems to be the extreme end (no one is saying there are eight forces on an average night in ToV). But the point is there is a huge, and extremely unclassic, number of forces competing for a zone that never had more than three guilds at once on it in live (and again, was only ever relevant for a year on live).

Oh, and also, for all this talk about what live was like, live never (in era) had zerg guilds with anywhere close to the population of Aftermath. But they are either encouraged or tolerated (depending on your reading of staff actions) here.

Nothing (again, short of mass player bannings) will change that. Every fix for the raid scene therefore must, by definition, be unclassic.

[Yoink1986]

As long as Detoxx plays player agreements will never stick or last.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Yoink1986 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As long as Detoxx plays player agreements will never stick or last.

Ban Detoxx and there will be a near identical rules breaker replacing him in a minute. This has nothing to do with individuals, as hated as they may be, because all those individuals are just acting as the system encourages them to.

Getting rid of Detoxx, or even banning all of Aftermath, will change nothing in the long term (though it would be a nice few months for everyone else on the server). Ultimately as long as the rules/system remains the same, players will continue to act like assholes.