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Old 10-28-2022, 05:33 PM
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Default How to Determine if a Shield is Actually a Shield

My question is really centered on putting an actual shield on a cloth caster but this also applies to knights and warriors. I tried poking around on the wiki but didn't find a full list of "shields" so I'm hoping someone can help me.

I was wondering if there is an attribute that could be looked up for a given item (e.g. https://lucy.allakhazam.com/itemraw.html?id=9401) to determine whether or not a secondary slot item is actually flagged as a shield for the purposes of shield bash and AC bonus calculation? If so what attribute is it?

Are the items with "snow cone" icons (e.g. OOIV, Shimmering Orb, Cryosilk Webshield, Rokyl's Channeling Crystal) universally flagged as "orbs" or is there a known exception to this?

Is it safe to assume that secondary slot items, be they books/mugs/chalices/cups that have AC on them behave like offhand weapons with AC in that they don't allow shield bash to work and don't grant any special AC bonus?

If all of these assumptions are correct does that mean that the highest AC shields that can be purchased without buying loot rights for a cloth caster are Insignia Protector and Ornate Rune Shield?
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Old 10-28-2022, 06:05 PM
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My question is really centered on putting an actual shield on a cloth caster but this also applies to knights and warriors. I tried poking around on the wiki but didn't find a full list of "shields" so I'm hoping someone can help me.

I was wondering if there is an attribute that could be looked up for a given item (e.g. https://lucy.allakhazam.com/itemraw.html?id=9401) to determine whether or not a secondary slot item is actually flagged as a shield for the purposes of shield bash and AC bonus calculation? If so what attribute is it?

Are the items with "snow cone" icons (e.g. OOIV, Shimmering Orb, Cryosilk Webshield, Rokyl's Channeling Crystal) universally flagged as "orbs" or is there a known exception to this?

Is it safe to assume that secondary slot items, be they books/mugs/chalices/cups that have AC on them behave like offhand weapons with AC in that they don't allow shield bash to work and don't grant any special AC bonus?

If all of these assumptions are correct does that mean that the highest AC shields that can be purchased without buying loot rights for a cloth caster are Insignia Protector and Ornate Rune Shield?
Almost every guild can do eashan guards, get you to flurry shield.
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Old 10-29-2022, 05:25 AM
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https://docs.eqemu.io/server/items/item-types/

Type 8 items.
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Old 10-29-2022, 07:45 AM
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Thank you for the info -

I checked this against OOIV because its been talked about numerous times on these forums as being an orb and not a shield but no dice; Lucy has it flagged as item type 8.

https://lucy.allakhazam.com/itemraw.html?id=25098

I'm thinking that lucy probably isn't the best source for info as the data is for the live game and OOIV could have been patched at some point to be a shield whereas its an orb on the p99 timeline. Is there a better way to determine which shields are actually shields beyond brute force checking (buying one of each and seeing if shield bash works)?
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Old 10-29-2022, 11:07 AM
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Data sniffer?
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Old 10-30-2022, 03:02 AM
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I wouldn’t recommend it. . . Probably smells like orcs
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Old 10-30-2022, 08:57 PM
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Almost every guild can do eashan guards, get you to flurry shield.
Not that it really answers my original question but what is the shield's name so I can at least keep an eye out for it?

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What exactly are you referring to?
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Old 10-31-2022, 11:03 PM
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What exactly are you referring to?
I had no idea what they were referring to either, so I found this:
https://wiki.project1999.com/NTOV_Flurries
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Old 11-03-2022, 05:18 PM
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I had no idea what they were referring to either, so I found this:
https://wiki.project1999.com/NTOV_Flurries

Thank you - still, the original question remains. How does one determine if Barrier of Sound is flagged as a shield for the purposes of AC bonus or an "orb". It's even worse for something like this since the usable classes don't contain knights making it impossible to test.
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Old 11-04-2022, 01:36 PM
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Is it possible to find out by looking at the generic emu stuff? Or did shields change substantially between EMU and p99 code base?
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