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Old 11-25-2020, 06:42 AM
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What year did liberals start putting all their faith in government?
While simultaneously blaming government for all societal ills.
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Old 11-25-2020, 06:47 AM
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While simultaneously blaming government for all societal ills.
Not all, just most. Misery, depression, poverty, hatred, dirty laundry, lies, truths about things that don't matter - All these things come from your government, which owns all of your Associated "Psychology-Games" Press and lives in your head all the time rent-free.

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religions are made up to control the low minded
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Old 11-25-2020, 07:18 AM
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but there are still lots of good people who use the religion as a pillar in their life to do good. (thanksfully)
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Old 11-25-2020, 10:34 AM
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but there are still lots of good people who use the religion as a pillar in their life to do good. (thanksfully)
If you have do not have God in your life, you will not see me around much (or any more than I can bear) Misery, as they say, does NOT like company. Two atheists discussing hope = The blind leading the blind.

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Old 11-25-2020, 10:40 AM
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religions are made up to control the low minded
Nice massive broad stroke. You need to investigate religious stories more if you hold this belief. The Bible alone is one of the more deep and complex books out there. The ideas it covers and the way it covers them is truly magnificent. It shows a deep understanding of human nature that is astounding when you consider it's origins.
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Are you an christian, jewish or muslim radical religion guy? Because they are pretty much all the same.
The more I read of you the dumber you seem.
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Old 11-25-2020, 11:05 AM
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Nice massive broad stroke. You need to investigate religious stories more if you hold this belief. The Bible alone is one of the more deep and complex books out there. The ideas it covers and the way it covers them is truly magnificent. It shows a deep understanding of human nature that is astounding when you consider it's origins.
True, if only Christians acted in a way that aligned with their own book.

“For whoever exalts himself will be humbled by God, and the one who humbles himself will be exalted by God.” Matthew 23:12

"Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God."" Matthew 19:24

One of Jesus' last acts before the shitstorm rained down on him was to expel the money-changers and merchants from the Jewish temple because he and his disciples felt their commerce and usury were antithetical to piety. In fact this is a core message of Christianity, and why that type of usury was outlawed (even if, at times, only in law, not in practice) throughout the Christian world for the next 1.5 thousand years. Jesus loved the poor. American conservatives hate the poor.

So you can imagine how it looks to an outsider when you have modern Christians who read Ayn Rand and subscribe to capitalism in its most wicked form. Note, there is nothing inherently wrong with capitalism as long as it is underlaid by certain values. Modern American capitalism resembles Chinese capitalism nowadays more than the Protestant ethic.
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Old 11-25-2020, 11:10 AM
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What year did liberals start putting all their faith in government?
It was the corporate socialism of Bush/Obama/Trump (bailouts) that sold me on printing money to help actual people too. Really, though, it's been obvious since FDR's era and the booming of planned economies overseas which toppled the world order virtually overnight.

Recent years though have demonstrated the durability of the dollar even running a massive deficit, and that our aristocrats won't let their own fortunes die on principle...why should I go without medical care in service of a lie? When access to medical care is unfree and is locked behind a state accreditation mafia in the first place. An accreditation mafia that's been used to exploit human psychology by hiding costs from the consumer in order to drain disgusting amounts of money from our economy. Medicare at least allows me to purchase medicine freely by a roundabout means, thereby sorta returning freedoms to me in a facsimile form anyhow.

The WW2 era and beyond has proven beyond all doubt that the libertarian fantasy is ded and such a scoiety will be swallowed up or manipulated heavily by better-organized civilizations. A superstructure is necessary to protect and optimize our commercial machine. A machine which I don't think is in good shape at all right now with stupidity run rampant and a disillusioned population poisoned by our oligarchs' fast food and pills etc etc. Compare our average 22-year-old to the average 22-year-old Japanese. How can we possibly maintain our position? Intervention is needed. An ethos beyond the "give them what they want" of capitalism is necessary if you don't want our society to be a big fat 1% tick draining all of the economic output of the rest in exchange for oxy and mcdonalds.

Not that I have an awful lot of faith in the government which is conjured out of us, but it is obvious that powerful states are a feature of the future of the developed world. Probably a rhetorical question though, eh? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
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