Riot kites then kills KT. Surprised no free Vulak after wiping on free attempt.

[Jayzeus]

Originally Posted by Nutsax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Stop gaslighting, it was an intentional train, he should be perma banned.

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Originally Posted by sydbarrett25 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Imagine if other guilds trained you right before an engage. Its not about the timing, the attempt or for whatever reason. Its about the rules that everyone has followed. We uphold these rules to define how we raid. Your cool with this? Just imagine if roles would be reversed which very much could be.

this exact thing happened where another guild trained another guild preparing for a vulak engage, and we actually had fraps with an /assist of a riot member bringing it in

you know what the ruling was

take a wild fucking guess

[Samoht]

My favorite is still the Lady M train by Kittens when they wiped both Riot and FRAG.

Guess who got punished there?

[Nutsax]

Originally Posted by Jayzeus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Gaslighting is a form of psychological manipulation in which a person or a group covertly sows seeds of doubt in a targeted individual or group, making them question their own memory, perception, or judgement.

I believe statements such as "Klaz got trained by KRIOT" fall under this definition.

[Grumph]

Originally Posted by condap99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This has gone on entirely too long.

It's super simple. Hypothetically speaking, even if the train was Klaz's fault... it wasn't Kittens/Riots attempt. Riot/Kittens had what, 20-30 mins to recover? And they got the next shot.

Nobody told Riot/Kittens they had to go when they did.
Nobody rushed them.
Nobody trained them.
They setup for, and made their engage 100% on their own timing and strategy.

And they got destroyed.

All of this "lose on the field but win in court afterwards" bullshit is pathetic. It's an embarrassment. If you want to be a fucking winner - either in game or out of it - learn to win on the field.

When they train others during their engage: “yall we’re on the tracks!”

When they train themselves during our engage: “delayed is the same as disrupted!”

[Grumph]

Originally Posted by Nutsax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Stop gaslighting, it was an intentional train, he should be perma banned.

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[condap99]

Originally Posted by sydbarrett25 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Imagine if other guilds trained you right before an engage. Its not about the timing, the attempt or for whatever reason. Its about the rules that everyone has followed. We uphold these rules to define how we raid. Your cool with this? Just imagine if roles would be reversed which very much could be.

You know what Vanq raid leaders say when a train happens and we don't know what happened/what we can prove? They say "stop worrying about who caused it. recover. keep your head in the fight and lets win this."

If Vanq hadn't wiped, Riot/Kittens did, and Vanq got the first two attempts... then yah. Totally different story. But that's not what happened. R/K had plenty of time. They engaged on their own terms.

Riot/Kittens seem more interested in playing the victim, and trying to win in discord. And this game just isn't won in discord. Not now, not ever. If your leadership thinks this is how the game is played, then your membership should revolt and find leadership who wants to win in game.

[sydbarrett25]

Originally Posted by condap99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You know what Vanq raid leaders say when a train happens and we don't know what happened/what we can prove? They say "stop worrying about who caused it. recover. keep your head in the fight and lets win this."

If Vanq hadn't wiped, Riot/Kittens did, and Vanq got the first two attempts... then yah. Totally different story. But that's not what happened. R/K had plenty of time. They engaged on their own terms.

Riot/Kittens seem more interested in playing the victim, and trying to win in discord. And this game just isn't won in discord. Not now, not ever. If your leadership thinks this is how the game is played, then your membership should revolt and find leadership who wants to win in game.

You know what Kittens raid leaders say when a train happens and we don't know what happened/what we can prove? They say "stop worrying about who caused it. recover. keep your head in the fight and lets win this."

Cant vouch for other guilds, kittens always will concede upon an unintentional train caused by them.

[Nutsax]

Originally Posted by condap99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You know what Vanq raid leaders say when a train happens and we don't know what happened/what we can prove? They say "stop worrying about who caused it. recover. keep your head in the fight and lets win this."

If Vanq hadn't wiped, Riot/Kittens did, and Vanq got the first two attempts... then yah. Totally different story. But that's not what happened. R/K had plenty of time. They engaged on their own terms.

Riot/Kittens seem more interested in playing the victim, and trying to win in discord. And this game just isn't won in discord. Not now, not ever. If your leadership thinks this is how the game is played, then your membership should revolt and find leadership who wants to win in game.

Stop gaslighting.

[xdrcfrx]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My favorite is still the Lady M train by Kittens when they wiped both Riot and FRAG.

Guess who got punished there?

not kittens, because it turned out the mob that wiped you wasn't one that was part of our train, but was a repop you failed to manage, knew was a repop in real time, and still petitioned over anyways. That's why your leaders dropped kittens from that petition, remember?

at least try a little harder if you're going to use made up revisionist history to lie and justify your current rule breaking.