Miscellaneous: Classic system messages from old log files

[Rygar]

I audited mcoy’s log files for system messages that are used in game and compared to what P99 is using. I’ve no clue if these are uneditable in the client or what, but figured I’d report everything I found and let you decide what can be done.

I’m assuming dev team has access to these logs, which I have no reason to believe are edited, and can also be backed up with classic screenshots. If you don’t have them, let me know and I can transfer them to you (or perhaps mcoy direct). I believe he has other files, but I only have 3 of his characters: Qien, Expired, Mcoy.

His characters spanned end of velious to mid Luclin, so is good evidence of the messages changing between those times.

Thanks for your time devs, I like these little nuanced details. #classic.

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Auto attack messages on P99 are not classic, we should be using the pre-Luclin message for entirety of server:
From Expired’s Log:

[Sun Nov 11 15:17:20 2001] Auto attack on.
[Sun Nov 11 15:21:30 2001] Auto attack off.

After Luclin (note the ‘is’):

[Mon Jun 24 15:08:04 2002] Auto attack is on.
[Mon Jun 24 15:08:05 2002] Auto attack is off.

Intimidating yourself message is also wrong on P99, using Luclin message:
Classic Message:

[Sun Nov 11 15:25:25 2001] Try intimidating someone other than yourself.

Luclin Message:

[Mon Jun 24 16:13:21 2002] You can't intimidate yourself!

I’m not sure if rogues should have a different message, but Expired Monk log to my P99 monk log shows this should be the ‘locked door’ message you receive:

[Mon Nov 19 02:24:09 2001] It's locked and you're not holding the key.

Here is what we get on P99:

[Sun Jul 31 19:22:03 2016] You must have a lock pick in your inventory to do this.

As far as I can tell, there maybe should just be a universal trade cancellation message as follows (its possible this was just from running out of range and not clicking cancel, but did not see messages of 'who' cancelled the trade until Luclin):

[Wed Nov 28 19:24:11 2001] The trade has been cancelled.

I should have tested running out of range on P99, but found it odd I didn't get this message once in my log file that spanned a year.

On P99 we get:

[Sat Feb 27 14:08:12 2016] You have cancelled the trade.

[Thu Mar 03 21:28:21 2016] Muggwin has cancelled the trade.

Line of site message seems off too:
Classic:

[Thu Nov 15 19:28:01 2001] You can't see your target from here.

Luclin message that P99 uses:

[Mon Jun 24 16:13:02 2002] You cannot see your target.

I was surprised, but I didn’t see a consent message in my log file (is it not being logged?).

Should be:

[Thu Nov 15 19:59:52 2001] You have given sineras permission to drag your corpse.

[Mon Jun 24 15:23:58 2002] You have denied thurrin permission to drag your corpse.

All is see in my P99 log file is:

[Sat Jul 23 09:46:20 2016] To remove consent, use /deny <playername>

Maybe you want the help tip for new players and alleviate CSR issues? But can you add in the other messages?


It looks like the resurrection message should be changed as well:

[Thu Nov 15 20:14:16 2001] You regain some experience from resurrection.
[Thu Nov 15 20:14:16 2001] You are being resurrected...

On P99 we use (unsure if order of messages can be flipped as well):

[Tue May 03 22:19:15 2016] You are exhausted.
[Tue May 03 22:19:15 2016] You regain some experience from resurrection.

A stickler for details, but you have duplicate lore item loot wording in 2 sentences, but should be one:
Classic:

[Fri Nov 16 00:11:41 2001] You cannot loot this Lore Item you already have one.

P99 uses:

[Fri Mar 18 17:46:13 2016] You cannot loot this Lore Item. You already have one.

I was surprised to see this one, but apparently you should also get a message if you get hit with a spell while FD (unsure if there is a message others should see):

[Sun Nov 18 00:42:34 2001] You are no longer feigning death, because a spell hit you.

I don’t know what item he was using (proc or click) but I didn’t find this message in my P99 logs:

[Mon Nov 19 02:07:29 2001] You are not sufficient level to use this item.

In the Qien/Expired logs he doesn’t get this message when bandaging himself (we get it on P99 and shouldn’t) but does receive the message when others bandage him:

On self:
[Sun Nov 11 15:26:38 2001] You begin to bandage yourself.
[Sun Nov 11 15:26:49 2001] The bandaging is complete.
[Sun Nov 11 15:26:51 2001] You begin to bandage yourself.
[Sun Nov 11 15:27:01 2001] The bandaging is complete.
[Sun Nov 11 15:27:04 2001] You begin to bandage yourself.

From others:
[Tue Nov 13 04:01:20 2001] You are being bandaged. Stay relatively still.
[Sat Feb 09 21:42:40 2002] You are being bandaged. Stay relatively still.

/time is using the wrong format.
Classic:

[Wed Nov 28 19:15:33 2001] It is 11 PM on Tuesday, the 3rd day of August, of the year 3209.
[Wed Nov 28 19:15:33 2001] Earth Time: Wed Nov 28 19:15:33 2001

P99 uses:

[Sat Jun 25 10:16:23 2016] Game Time: Saturday, June 21, 3104 - 5 PM
[Sat Jun 25 10:16:23 2016] Earth Time: Saturday, June 25, 2016 10:16:23

When doing a /who and turning up no results, should return 3 lines, but P99 only does 1.
Classic:

[Thu Nov 15 18:10:53 2001] Players in EverQuest:
[Thu Nov 15 18:10:53 2001] ---------------------------
[Thu Nov 15 18:10:53 2001] There are no players in EverQuest that match those who filters.

P99 only shows:

[Sat Jun 25 08:11:23 2016] There are no players in EverQuest that match those who filters.

Bit of a nuance, but didn’t see this in any of my logs, but after porting or zoning while in a group you should get a message that ‘You have joined the group.’ after loading.

Here’s a transcript showing he joined the group, loaded, receives portal messages, then gets the join message again:
Expired Log:

[Thu Nov 15 18:23:38 2001] Sevgi invites you to join a group.
[Thu Nov 15 18:23:38 2001] To join the group, click on the 'FOLLOW' option, or 'DISBAND' to cancel.
[Thu Nov 15 18:23:40 2001] You notify Sevgi that you agree to join the group.
[Thu Nov 15 18:23:40 2001] You have joined the group.
[Thu Nov 15 18:24:25 2001] Raisinn creates a mystic portal.
[Thu Nov 15 18:24:25 2001] Sevgi creates a mystic portal.
[Thu Nov 15 18:24:26 2001] LOADING, PLEASE WAIT...
[Thu Nov 15 18:24:49 2001] You have entered Butcherblock Mountains.
[Thu Nov 15 18:24:49 2001] You have joined the group.

Mccoy log:
He is in a group, dies, loads, ‘You have joined the group.’. He was exping in LoIO and died and loaded in FV.

[Sun Nov 11 23:38:15 2001] You tell your party, 'shite'
[Sun Nov 11 23:38:15 2001] Kuguk slashes charbone skeleton for 61 points of damage.
[Sun Nov 11 23:38:16 2001] Charbone skeleton bashes YOU for 1 point of damage.
[Sun Nov 11 23:38:16 2001] You have been slain by charbone skeleton!
[Sun Nov 11 23:38:18 2001] Returning to home point, please wait...
[Sun Nov 11 23:38:18 2001] LOADING, PLEASE WAIT...
[Sun Nov 11 23:38:45 2001] You have entered Firiona Vie.
[Sun Nov 11 23:38:45 2001] You have joined the group.
[Sun Nov 11 23:38:50 2001] It begins to rain.
[Sun Nov 11 23:39:08 2001] Beginning to memorize Healing...
[Sun Nov 11 23:39:09 2001] You have finished memorizing Healing.

When you try and Bind Wound an NPC you should get this message:
Classic:

[Sun Nov 11 15:20:03 2001] You cannot bandage a non-player entity.

On P99 you get:

You must target a player to bandage.

When binding above 50% or 70% you should get the message:

[Sun Nov 11 15:27:15 2001] You cannot be bandaged past 500f your max hit points.
[Sun Nov 11 15:27:15 2001] You cannot bandage your target past 500f their hit points.

(Note the pre-% symbol in log), then post velious:

[Thu Jun 27 16:11:43 2002] You cannot be bandaged past 50 percent of your max hit points.
[Thu Jun 27 16:11:43 2002] You cannot bandage your target past 50 percent of their hit points.

On P99 we get the message(s):

You cannot bind wounds above 50% hitpoints.

You cannot bind wounds above 70% hitpoints.

If your friend list is empty you should get this message…
Classic:

[Sun Nov 11 15:19:05 2001] You have no friends, but you can add some with: /friends <name>

On P99 we get this abomination:

List of Friends
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You have no friends! Awww, how sad…
Maybe you should add one by typing: /friend <name>

Not sure if this can be done with the client, but the ‘Train’ button I don’t think should grey out if you are out of points, but let you click on it still (or give message when clicking greyed out button). Should get this message (we don’t get any on P99):

[Thu Nov 15 18:05:15 2001] Grand Master Glox tells you, 'You don't have any practices left. Come back after you have adventured more.'

When trying to loot an item from a corpse but you have no room in inventory you should get a message (you get none on P99… tried with full inventory + item on a cursor).
Classic message:

[Sun Nov 11 15:32:50 2001] You cannot loot this item no room in your inventory.

[Nirgon]

Best thread in years

[Nirgon]

Throw that is your body ready message on red in the trash too

Happens when u con ppl

[paulgiamatti]

Originally Posted by Rygar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I’m not sure if rogues should have a different message, but Expired Monk log to my P99 monk log shows this should be the ‘locked door’ message you receive:

Here is what we get on P99:

Both of these are used for all classes on P99 depending on whether the door is pickable. E.g.:

Sleeper's Tomb entrance:

[Wed Jan 09 22:48:51 2019] It's locked and you're not holding the key.

Locked door in Veeshan's Peak:

[Wed Jan 09 02:28:01 2019] You must have a lock pick in your inventory to do this.

[paulgiamatti]

Also, awesome post.

[Rygar]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Both of these are used for all classes on P99 depending on whether the door is pickable. E.g.:

Sleeper's Tomb entrance:


Locked door in Veeshan's Peak:

Thanks paul, I'll look over the log file from Mcoy again, but I believe his message was from the boulder in paineel to hole or paineel elevator.

In which case, if I'm understanding you right, means p99 is using the wrong message?

[paulgiamatti]

Originally Posted by Rygar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thanks paul, I'll look over the log file from Mcoy again, but I believe his message was from the boulder in paineel to hole or paineel elevator.

In which case, if I'm understanding you right, means p99 is using the wrong message?

If the message always corresponds to door/trigger type then the boulder should give the lock pick message and the elevator should give the key message. It's certainly possible this wasn't the case in live classic era and it depended on your class - e.g., if you weren't a rogue/bard then you never saw the lock pick message. Or perhaps it was more arbitrary, or the lock pick message simply didn't exist and only the key message was used in classic era.

[Rygar]

As a follow up I searched through the log files mcoy made available to me, and in his Qien log file I see him in Paineel testing on the boulder in the water (which requires a key but IS pickable):

[Mon Nov 19 02:24:09 2001] It's locked and you're not holding the key.

Also in Plane of Sky, Island 1 (assuming a teleport pad, which requires a key but IS NOT pickable):

[Sun Nov 11 00:36:52 2001] It's locked and you're not holding the key.

This leads me to conclude in era you should only get the same message regardless of whether or not a door is pickable. To be fair, I've no clue if there were specialized Bard/Rogue only messages that helped indicate if a lock was pickable.

[Rygar]

Ugh, sorry for the bunch of replies... but also to be fair, I didn't see anything in the log file of mcoy clicking on a door that no key existed for (like the door in Seb). So not sure if those had a lock pick message. If anyone had some true classic logs to search through I would love to have them, never know what gems can be found.

[Doctor Jeff]

Brad bless this thread and everyone who contributes to it.

You're doing Brad's work, Rygar.