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[ScaringChildren]

Originally Posted by Wonkie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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This is a good argument against Globalization.

[maskedmelon]

i don't understand it

[JurisDictum]

Fascism is a rightwing social ideology. It's the idea that people should all be united in a quest for national greatness. 100% of the time this has some theory of ethno-cultural superiority attached to it.

The weak should be culled, the strength of the group is the most important thing. Other people's are a means to an end -- and its legitimate to kill and enslave them if their in your way.

This is conservative socially not liberal socially. So we call this rightwing all over the world.

In this country, rightwing is also associated with economic liberalism. If I say I'm a liberal in Germany, they assume libertarian not some kind of economic leftist.

That's why there is so much confusion about the fascist label. To many Americans, it's a bit counter-intuitive in this country why Hitler would be considered rightwing if he wasn't a market fundamentalist or something. It was because his social stance on German superiority and his Imperial ambitions on behalf of Germans.

The fact that he happened to try to package himself as a socialist (he killed socialist as threat no.1 in reality) or did a few welfare programs (not a leftwing only thing in Germany) is just incidental. Its all a red hearring.

Edit: Stalin was the military dude in Russia that took power when Lenin died. He was very much a conservative socially -- even though ironically he dressed everything he did up in Marxist ideology. Basically, he was the rightwing General in a regime of radical Leninists. Hitler once praised Stalin for successfully creating "Red Fascism" and some people indeed look at it that way. But there are some concrete differences between Germany and Russia in ideology and the way the economy was structured -- so in some contexts it makes less sense to equate Stalin to Fascism. Private property was a thing is Germany -- for example.

This is all considered advanced level political theory because its easy to get bogged down in the weeds.

[Wonkie]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i don't understand it

oh me neither. we'll have to ask dino. the intent was to sass, ridicule, and undermine you though.

dino?

[Throndor]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fascism is a rightwing social ideology. It's the idea that people should all be united in a quest for national greatness. 100% of the time this has some theory of ethno-cultural superiority attached to it.

Nope. THis is leftist revisionist definition.

Fascism and Communism are both "Collectivist" (and Authoritarian) ideologies.

Fascism is demanding individuals relinquish their individual rights to the state for the greater good of the state
Communism is demanding individuals relinquish their individual rights to the state for the greater good of the "people"

The rest is all bullshit

This is the primary reason why the left cannot understand/comprehend the right's position (And coincidentally, why the left tries to paint everyone not in agreement with them as "Nazis") No one gives a fuck about how Eurasia's marxist dictators decided to delineate or differentiate between their collectivist ideologies.

Stalin and Mao did not create social programs serving as a safety net for those that weren't able. THEY FUCKING EXTERMINATED AND STARVED MILLIONS OF DO-NOTHINGS just like the Nazis did.

AMERICANS cured Nazism and Communism with the same "cure"; a fucking bullet in their collectivist heads.

The reason why Hillary lost the election to Trump is simple. Hillary ran on a platform of global communism. Americans, by and large, are individualists. Fierce Individualism is literally hard-coded into our constitution.

Trump ran on a platform of draining the swamp of Globalist Communists. So he won. Because the choice was, accepting the slide into totalitarian collectivism vs individualistic determination with some vague references to nationalism. Most of us don't give a fuck about the Nationalist rhetoric, and elected Trump not because of his platform, rather because the alternative is a vote for corporate communism.

[JurisDictum]

Throndor takes the American anti-intellectual stance that all that matters is gubberment involvement. And all those fancy degrees and books don't mean anything according to Throndor -- who understands whats really going on.

Fascism isn't at all linked to Marxist ideology. The fact that they are both collectivist does not mean they are the same thing. Economic ideology is not necessarily important to determine weather or not something is fascist.

fascism

n.
A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
n.
A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
n.
Oppressive, dictatorial control.

I think Calling Trump fascist is over the top. But its not completely baseless.

[ScaringChildren]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

fascism

n.
A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
n.
A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
n.
Oppressive, dictatorial control.

this sounds like the Soviet Union

[JurisDictum]

Chomsky and I both think USSR was Fascist.

America and the USSR just kept calling it communist/socialist...when it clearly wasn't. But most of history is two super powers educating their populations that the USSR was communism and socialism.

[ScaringChildren]

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[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Wonkie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

oh me neither. we'll have to ask dino. the intent was to sass, ridicule, and undermine you though.

dino?

dont worry! I felt that and was hitherto immensely frustrated that my meme illiteracy forestalled a witty response :c i feel better now though