Casinos

[Derubael]

If people are going to leave because they can't gamble at player run casinos then that's their choice. This is in-line with what many servers did on classic. There's no point in arguing about it because it's not going to get overturned.

Player run casinos are gone for good and not coming back.

[Shiftin]

Originally Posted by Olscratch [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

BULLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLSHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT

No, it's not bullshit. It's empirically proved out by flood of people who came forward when they were banned for RMT who said they were given plat or items purchased with real life money from people pretending to run a casino. Also, every staff member posting in this thread has said or alluded to the exact same thing, and they're the ones who have to comb through the logs to catch these assholes.

[zforrestal]

Originally Posted by Shiftin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, it's not bullshit. It's empirically proved out by flood of people who came forward when they were banned for RMT who said they were given plat or items purchased with real life money from people pretending to run a casino. Also, every staff member posting in this thread has said or alluded to the exact same thing, and they're the ones who have to comb through the logs to catch these assholes.

I feel this doesn't help track down RMT's I can see how you'd think so.. but it's as easy as emailing one another, work out the transaction, go into game trade item... you dont even need a casino to hide that... but regardless I do understand the reasoning behind it, I just don't think it does anything... plus other reasons.


Show me after one year that RMT's have dropped or been easier to spot out since the Ban.. I don't think it will change.. I could be wrong though.


Also you couldn't wait 4 days to make this ruling.... my b-day is in 3 I was going to do something awesome :-P

[Shiftin]

But it does do things. Imagine a database log file for player to player plat transactions with and without casinos operating. Imagine how much easier it is to spot trends and people who seem to deal only in handing money back and forth between players.

Before, an RMT mule handing someone 100k over 20 transaction wouldn't set off any alarms because it would be buried in hundreds or thousands of other small back and forth transactions happening the same day, even actual casino transactions the RMT mule could do from time to time to "prove" his legitimacy.

Now, much harder to hide.

Think beyond how this annoys you personally.

[Olscratch]

Originally Posted by Shiftin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, it's not bullshit. It's empirically proved out by flood of people who came forward when they were banned for RMT who said they were given plat or items purchased with real life money from people pretending to run a casino. Also, every staff member posting in this thread has said or alluded to the exact same thing, and they're the ones who have to comb through the logs to catch these assholes.

Link, Source? None of the staff members have mentioned RMT.
They won't even speak about any reason for the casino shut down/all gambling made illegal besides saying it wasn't primarily based on the (1) casino scam that happened.

[Rais]

Originally Posted by zforrestal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I really don't think people are going to stop playing just because of this ruling. The only person they are really going to lose for good is me and that's because I just play to host a casino hence why I'm so adamant about the topic.. I feel they know that it is a loss which I guess is ok for me....

You voiced your opinion, and the rule won't change. Save yourself some heartache and move on from this argument.

Originally Posted by Olscratch [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Link, Source? None of the staff members have mentioned RMT.
They won't even speak about any reason for the casino shut down/all gambling made illegal besides saying it wasn't primarily based on the (1) casino scam that happened.

It was stated. Help yourself to use the search function about how people get scammed from casino alone and other activity that involves rmt.

[ripwind]

Nobody is going to leave over this. Just a bunch of hot-headed responses. As someone who has played the casinos, never been scammed, and mostly broken even... I'm actually all for them being disallowed. They were never allowed on my server on live, either. The GMs are tasked enough without having to deal with casino-related petitions and the possible RMT implications.

Also, this isn't a democracy.

[Argh]

It does make tracking down RMT easier.

I would imagine that many RMT'ers were using casinos as a front to launder RMT'd plat through. It would be very easy to then say that the plat or items you obtained illicitly were obtained through casinos and it would be very hard to confirm/refute the legitimacy of such a claim.

With casinos now gone, it leaves RMT'ers without a reliable means of connecting buyers to sellers.

In the end it doesn't completely solve any RMT issues but it does greatly reduce the potential for it at the moment. Keeping the server RMT free is imperative to the overall well being of the server, and this is just a necessary step in accomplishing that.

[zforrestal]

Originally Posted by ripwind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nobody is going to leave over this. .

I count as someone even though I'm not important, and I have no point to play EQ the raid scene to me is how some of you view casinos.... lame, people breaking rules, not fun and causes issues that aren't going to be fixed..

I say after 1 year, if RMT's don't decrease, then the ban should be lifted but that's wishful thinking..


[QUOTE=Argh;1584111]It does make tracking down RMT easier.

I would imagine that many RMT'ers were using casinos as a front to launder RMT'd plat through. It would be very easy to then say that the plat or items you obtained illicitly were obtained through casinos and it would be very hard to confirm/refute the legitimacy of such a claim.

With casinos now gone, it leaves RMT'ers without a reliable means of connecting buyers to sellers.

In the end it doesn't completely solve any RMT issues but it does greatly reduce the potential for it at the moment. Keeping the server RMT free is imperative to the overall well being of the server, and this is just a necessary step in accomplishing that.[/QUOTE

I get the logic behind it, I still don't think it will put a dent into how often it goes on, but yea Sad day

[Shiftin]

If investigations are easier, more plat is seized or RMT mules banned. The more inventory used for RMT is seized, the less profitable the business becomes, and the less people participate in it. At what point in that train of logic do you disagree?