Game Mechanics: Kicking Snakes

[CRA]

I fought 10-20 snakes in Qeynos yard & didn't see a single kick. At launch snakes could kick.

[Dolalin]

Indeed, kicking snakes wasn't patched out until September 2006.

*** NPCs ***

- Creatures without legs have lost the ability to kick.

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt....Y/UwOcAeLW8gUJ

[CRA]

It's still not fixed at launch. These non-kicking snakes are ruining my immersion [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Torven]

Sony had the ability to individually set NPC skill levels. Just because Sony had removed kick from some snakes in 2006 does not mean that all snakes had kick before then. Furthermore the default level NPCs gained bash was 6 and for kick was in the mid teens so it's highly unlikely that any NPC under those levels would bash or kick regardless.

Evidence:

[Sat May 05 14:19:08 2001] a snake hisses and strikes!
[Sat May 05 14:19:08 2001] A snake bites YOU for 3 points of damage.
[Sat May 05 14:19:11 2001] A snake tries to bite YOU, but misses!
[Sat May 05 14:19:14 2001] A snake tries to bite YOU, but misses!
[Sat May 05 14:19:18 2001] A snake bites YOU for 1 point of damage.
[Sat May 05 14:19:21 2001] A snake tries to bite YOU, but misses!
[Sat May 05 14:19:21 2001] You crush a snake for 3 points of damage.
[Sat May 05 14:19:24 2001] A snake tries to bite YOU, but misses!
[Sat May 05 14:19:27 2001] A snake bites YOU for 2 points of damage.
[Sat May 05 14:19:28 2001] You crush a snake for 5 points of damage.
[Sat May 05 14:19:30 2001] A snake tries to bite YOU, but misses!
[Sat May 05 14:19:31 2001] You crush a snake for 10 points of damage.
[Sat May 05 14:19:31 2001] You have slain a snake!
[Sat May 05 14:20:28 2001] a snake regards you indifferently -- looks like you would have the upper hand.
[Sat May 05 14:20:30 2001] a snake hisses and strikes!
[Sat May 05 14:20:30 2001] You crush a snake for 8 points of damage.
[Sat May 05 14:20:30 2001] A snake bites YOU for 1 point of damage.
[Sat May 05 14:20:33 2001] A snake tries to bite YOU, but misses!
[Sat May 05 14:20:33 2001] You crush a snake for 5 points of damage.
[Sat May 05 14:20:36 2001] A snake tries to bite YOU, but misses!
[Sat May 05 14:20:39 2001] A snake bites YOU for 4 points of damage.
[Sat May 05 14:20:42 2001] A snake bites YOU for 2 points of damage.
[Sat May 05 14:20:43 2001] You crush a snake for 11 points of damage.
[Sat May 05 14:20:43 2001] You have slain a snake!
[Sat May 05 14:21:09 2001] a snake hisses and strikes!
[Sat May 05 14:21:09 2001] You crush a snake for 11 points of damage.
[Sat May 05 14:21:09 2001] A snake bites YOU for 2 points of damage.
[Sat May 05 14:21:12 2001] A snake bites YOU for 2 points of damage.
[Sat May 05 14:21:12 2001] You crush a snake for 10 points of damage.
[Sat May 05 14:21:12 2001] You have slain a snake!
[Sat May 05 14:21:18 2001] a snake hisses and strikes!
[Sat May 05 14:21:18 2001] You crush a snake for 9 points of damage.
[Sat May 05 14:21:18 2001] A snake tries to bite YOU, but misses!
[Sat May 05 14:21:22 2001] A snake tries to bite YOU, but misses!
[Sat May 05 14:21:22 2001] You crush a snake for 11 points of damage.
[Sat May 05 14:21:22 2001] You have slain a snake!
[Sat May 05 14:21:30 2001] a snake hisses and strikes!
[Sat May 05 14:21:30 2001] A snake bites YOU for 1 point of damage.
[Sat May 05 14:21:33 2001] A snake tries to bite YOU, but misses!
[Sat May 05 14:21:36 2001] A snake bites YOU for 4 points of damage.
[Sat May 05 14:21:37 2001] You crush a snake for 10 points of damage.
[Sat May 05 14:21:39 2001] A snake bites YOU for 1 point of damage.
[Sat May 05 14:21:40 2001] You crush a snake for 7 points of damage.
[Sat May 05 14:21:40 2001] You have slain a snake!


[Mon Dec 17 19:50:21 2001] A rattlesnake bites Vibrrato for 1 point of damage.
[Mon Dec 17 19:50:24 2001] A rattlesnake bites Vibrrato for 7 points of damage.
[Mon Dec 17 19:50:25 2001] Vibrrato slashes a rattlesnake for 7 points of damage.
[Mon Dec 17 19:50:27 2001] A rattlesnake bites Vibrrato for 12 points of damage.
[Mon Dec 17 19:50:32 2001] Vibrrato slashes a rattlesnake for 21 points of damage.
[Mon Dec 17 19:50:33 2001] A rattlesnake bites Vibrrato for 5 points of damage.
[Mon Dec 17 19:50:36 2001] Vibrrato slashes a rattlesnake for 16 points of damage.
[Mon Dec 17 19:50:38 2001] Vibrrato slashes a rattlesnake for 20 points of damage.
[Mon Dec 17 19:50:39 2001] A rattlesnake bites Vibrrato for 1 point of damage.
[Mon Dec 17 19:50:40 2001] Vibrrato slashes a rattlesnake for 11 points of damage.
[Mon Dec 17 19:50:42 2001] A rattlesnake bites Vibrrato for 5 points of damage.
[Mon Dec 17 19:50:44 2001] Vibrrato slashes a rattlesnake for 13 points of damage.
[Mon Dec 17 19:50:45 2001] A rattlesnake bites Vibrrato for 3 points of damage.
[Mon Dec 17 19:50:46 2001] Vibrrato slashes a rattlesnake for 7 points of damage.
[Mon Dec 17 19:50:48 2001] A rattlesnake bites Vibrrato for 1 point of damage.
[Mon Dec 17 19:50:53 2001] Vibrrato slashes a rattlesnake for 10 points of damage.
[Mon Dec 17 19:50:55 2001] A rattlesnake bites Vibrrato for 6 points of damage.
[Mon Dec 17 19:50:57 2001] Vibrrato slashes a rattlesnake for 21 points of damage.
[Mon Dec 17 19:51:01 2001] A rattlesnake bites Vibrrato for 1 point of damage.
[Mon Dec 17 19:51:01 2001] Vibrrato slashes a rattlesnake for 21 points of damage.
[Mon Dec 17 19:51:03 2001] Vibrrato slashes a rattlesnake for 20 points of damage.
[Mon Dec 17 19:51:03 2001] a rattlesnake has been slain by Vibrrato!


(these are Al'Kabor server logs)
[Thu Dec 27 01:10:13 2012] A moss snake bites YOU for 2 points of damage.
[Thu Dec 27 01:10:16 2012] A moss snake tries to bite YOU, but misses!
[Thu Dec 27 01:10:19 2012] A moss snake bites YOU for 1 point of damage.
[Thu Dec 27 01:10:22 2012] A moss snake bites YOU for 1 point of damage.
[Thu Dec 27 01:10:25 2012] A moss snake tries to bite YOU, but misses!
[Thu Dec 27 01:10:28 2012] A moss snake tries to bite YOU, but misses!
[Thu Dec 27 01:10:31 2012] A moss snake bites YOU for 1 point of damage.
[Thu Dec 27 01:10:34 2012] A moss snake tries to bite YOU, but misses!
[Thu Dec 27 01:10:37 2012] A moss snake bites YOU for 1 point of damage.
[Thu Dec 27 01:10:40 2012] A moss snake tries to bite YOU, but misses!
[Thu Dec 27 01:10:43 2012] A moss snake bites YOU for 2 points of damage.
[Thu Dec 27 01:10:46 2012] A moss snake bites YOU for 1 point of damage.
[Thu Dec 27 01:10:49 2012] A moss snake tries to bite YOU, but misses!
[Thu Dec 27 01:10:52 2012] A moss snake tries to bite YOU, but misses!
[Thu Dec 27 01:10:56 2012] A moss snake bites YOU for 1 point of damage.
[Thu Dec 27 01:10:59 2012] A moss snake bites YOU for 1 point of damage.
[Thu Dec 27 01:11:02 2012] A moss snake bites YOU for 1 point of damage.
[Thu Dec 27 01:11:06 2012] A moss snake bites YOU for 2 points of damage.
[Thu Dec 27 01:11:10 2012] A moss snake bites YOU for 1 point of damage.
[Thu Dec 27 01:11:25 2012] A moss snake bites YOU for 1 point of damage.
[Thu Dec 27 01:11:28 2012] A moss snake bites YOU for 1 point of damage.
[Thu Dec 27 01:11:36 2012] A moss snake bites YOU for 1 point of damage.
[Thu Dec 27 01:11:41 2012] A moss snake bites YOU for 1 point of damage.
[Thu Dec 27 01:11:46 2012] A moss snake bites YOU for 1 point of damage.
[Thu Dec 27 01:11:50 2012] A moss snake bites YOU for 2 points of damage.
[Thu Dec 27 01:11:54 2012] Deputy Vastin says 'Time to die a moss snake.'

[Thu Oct 31 13:27:10 2013] A snake tries to bite Topofthetree, but misses!
[Thu Oct 31 13:27:10 2013] A snake bites Topofthetree for 1 point of damage.
[Thu Oct 31 13:27:10 2013] A snake tries to bite Topofthetree, but misses!
[Thu Oct 31 13:27:13 2013] A snake tries to bite Topofthetree, but misses!
[Thu Oct 31 13:27:13 2013] A snake tries to bite Topofthetree, but misses!
[Thu Oct 31 13:27:14 2013] A snake tries to bite Topofthetree, but misses!
[Thu Oct 31 13:27:16 2013] A snake bites Topofthetree for 1 point of damage.
[Thu Oct 31 13:27:16 2013] A snake tries to bite Topofthetree, but misses!
[Thu Oct 31 13:27:17 2013] A snake bites Topofthetree for 1 point of damage.
[Thu Oct 31 13:27:19 2013] A snake tries to bite Topofthetree, but misses!
[Thu Oct 31 13:27:19 2013] A snake tries to bite Topofthetree, but misses!
[Thu Oct 31 13:27:20 2013] A snake tries to bite Topofthetree, but misses!
[Thu Oct 31 13:27:22 2013] A snake tries to bite Topofthetree, but misses!
[Thu Oct 31 13:27:22 2013] A snake tries to bite Topofthetree, but misses!
[Thu Oct 31 13:27:23 2013] A snake tries to bite Topofthetree, but misses!
[Thu Oct 31 13:27:25 2013] A snake tries to bite Topofthetree, but misses!
[Thu Oct 31 13:27:25 2013] A snake tries to bite Topofthetree, but misses!
[Thu Oct 31 13:27:26 2013] A snake tries to bite Topofthetree, but misses!
[Thu Oct 31 13:27:28 2013] A snake tries to bite Topofthetree, but misses!
[Thu Oct 31 13:27:28 2013] A snake tries to bite Topofthetree, but misses!
[Thu Oct 31 13:27:29 2013] A snake tries to bite Topofthetree, but misses!
[Thu Oct 31 13:27:31 2013] A snake tries to bite Topofthetree, but misses!
[Thu Oct 31 13:27:31 2013] A snake bites Topofthetree for 2 points of damage.
[Thu Oct 31 13:27:32 2013] A snake tries to bite Topofthetree, but misses!

I cannot find a single case of a an NPC with 'snake' in the name kicking in my logs, actually. (I have 10 gigs of logs)

They do however bash at level 6:

[Wed Dec 26 10:57:25 2012] A large rattlesnake bashes Nikaya for 6 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 09 01:39:13 2012] A tree snake bashes Boxy for 1 point of damage.
[Sun Sep 29 23:25:58 2002] A darkweed snake bashes YOU for 1 point of damage.
[Mon Sep 30 00:54:03 2002] A giant rattlesnake bashes YOU for 6 points of damage.

[Dolalin]

Well then. Can't argue with that.

Snakes kicking was totally a thing though, it's even mentioned in the loading screen. So which snakes would have been high enough level to kick I wonder?

(Just for curiosity's sake...)

[Torven]

The Shissar NPCs are kicking in these logs. The only full-snake model NPC I've found kicking are Plane of Storms Krendic slitherers. In fact Sony seemed to have removed kick from most snakes long before that patch note; Vilefang and entropy serpents are not kicking and are only bashing for example.

September 2006 is the month that the Serpent's Spine expansion launched, which has a lot of snakes in it. I believe that patch note was referring to the snakes in that expac more so than other NPCs.

[CRA]

Snakes *should* be able to kick. Have you no vision whatsoever!?!!!!