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Originally Posted by Csihar
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The discussion concerned the proper definition of 'atheist' and 'agnostic'. By saying 'many/most' atheists you acknowledge that not all atheists deny God's existence. Therefore an atheist does not necessarily deny God's or any gods' existence. And therefore you're using atheist and agnostic incorrectly.
This is what you should have said:
"No you simply do not understand the difference between agnostic atheists and positive atheists by their practice".
That would be correct terminology. I think if you were to press most so-called positive atheists and ask the right questions they would actually admit to being agnostic atheists.
What you talked about next is an entirely different discussion. Even then I disagree with you. You're looking for the word antitheist here. If people were to be honest about what atheism is they'd see that atheists are much more prominent in our world than statistics tend to say and most of these people have only a neglible effect on theists.
Atheism is not a religion. I know a lot of theists want it to be because it makes it easy to push away. The fact that you take issue with people wanting to be able to be free from religion betrays that you're stereotypically hypocritical when it comes to the concept of freedom, like so many conservatives are. "Freedom of religion but not the freedom of no religion!" and the more tolerant "you can be an atheist but you need to shut up!".
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No it just means some Atheists are not really Atheists, but Agnostics. Seriously, I've encountered atheists that really didn't know what an agnostic is. They are not taught about agnosticism in their schools, so what it doesn't exist? No, it's a social club, dude. Atheism is a hip group to be in for some, like some go to fun churches that do this and that but really don't believe in a God nor teach of such, but have lots of weird psychology and a dating scene etc.
Those people claiming to be atheists with their spaghetti god, they don't want to be sounding stupid saying they are agnostic to some militant atheist trying to wipe the world clean of any belief in a God. So like I said at the beginning, it's just a tag, much like some churches are tags, a place to just fit in socially and have fun.
And that's by modern design, I mean they teach you what to think, how to fit in, the questions to ask and those not to. It becomes an accessible voting block, gives even more power to the state, more money for schrool funding, closer to a utopian envisioned goal. Just don't get excommunicated (defunded) from your religion by saying this stuff openly, m-kay? Then you may get stuck on some Fake Science project like zero-point energy which there is no social construct recovery from.