Game Mechanics: Hide/Sneak BROKEN

Otur · #1 12-23-2012, 07:42 AM

This bug got me killed a dussin times already. Basicly it shows you're hide/sneak, but all the mobs see you anyways. It happends randomly, but common enough to be a menace. As you can see, both NPCs scowls at me, even tho hide/sneak is active.

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I already tested re-sneaking/invising and made sure the NPCs on the screencap does NOT see invis. Spoken with other rogues too that experienced the same thing.

Kender · #2 12-23-2012, 04:26 PM

have you tried it with not pressing hide and sneak so close together? maybe sneak is interferring with the hide since you activated it before the hide completed.

p.s. you need some water

Otur · #3 12-26-2012, 02:23 PM

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have you tried it with not pressing hide and sneak so close together? maybe sneak is interferring with the hide since you activated it before the hide completed.

p.s. you need some water

I playtested with pause between sneak and hide and the bug is still there [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] just gotta /con every mob until bug gets fixed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

maximum · #4 12-26-2012, 07:51 PM

What is your Hide/Sneak skill? What level is your character?

I also noticed that you have a "STEALTH" macro key (instead of an actual Hide & Sneak). Have you tried to stand still and press just Hide?

Nirgon · #5 12-27-2012, 10:37 AM

Actually rogue hide shouldn't be the end all/be all to the dungeon crawling world. It gave nothing special over regular invis for the longest time, don't think it even gave any invisibility to undead at all. Not 100% on the undead part, but I had a rogue for a time and he wasn't able to just hide/sneak past every mob.

That said, this looks wrong for this server.

RyoGTO · #6 03-22-2013, 11:59 AM

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Actually rogue hide shouldn't be the end all/be all to the dungeon crawling world. It gave nothing special over regular invis for the longest time, don't think it even gave any invisibility to undead at all. Not 100% on the undead part, but I had a rogue for a time and he wasn't able to just hide/sneak past every mob.

Wrong.

Rogue invis (Sneak/Hide) was Invis/IVU, always. I mained a rogue on live from Kunark to PoP. (In fact, I had three separate rogues as mains throughout this era). The mobs that could see through sneak/hide were only special high level See invis/See IVU mobs.

Treats · #7 03-22-2013, 12:43 PM

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The mobs that could see through sneak/hide were only special high level See invis/See IVU mobs.

If Sneak/Hide was only seen by high level See Invis/See IVU NPCS there would have been no point for them to add the Alternate Ability Shroud of Stealth.

RyoGTO · #8 03-22-2013, 01:24 PM

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If Sneak/Hide was only seen by high level See Invis/See IVU NPCS there would have been no point for them to add the Alternate Ability Shroud of Stealth.

I am not sure how you reached that conclusion, since shroud of stealth was precisely for the reason I just mentioned.

Here is the definition for the AA Shroud of Stealth:

"This ability provides a previously unheard of level of stealth. The Rogue is able to draw shadows about himself so completely, even creatures that are normally not fooled by such trickery are frequently unable to see him. You may train in this ability upon reaching level 63."

This is not "Now you will be also have IVU with Sneak/Hide." Sneak/Hide always was IVU+Invis. I had over a year in days of played time on rogues, I remember it quite clearly, and this Shroud of Stealth only proves my point.

Treats · #9 03-22-2013, 03:08 PM

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I am not sure how you reached that conclusion, since shroud of stealth was precisely for the reason I just mentioned.

Here is the definition for the AA Shroud of Stealth:

"This ability provides a previously unheard of level of stealth. The Rogue is able to draw shadows about himself so completely, even creatures that are normally not fooled by such trickery are frequently unable to see him. You may train in this ability upon reaching level 63."

This is not "Now you will be also have IVU with Sneak/Hide." Sneak/Hide always was IVU+Invis. I had over a year in days of played time on rogues, I remember it quite clearly, and this Shroud of Stealth only proves my point.

I'm not saying that Sneak/Hide did not give Ivu before Shroud of Stealth.

The point I am trying to make here is that BEFORE Shroud of Stealth was implemented any NPC that had See Invisible/See Ivu could see a Rogue with Sneak/Hide active.

Sneak/Hide only worked as a regular Invis/Ivu spell, nothing more.

Tecmos Deception · #10 12-27-2012, 10:48 AM

You sure this isn't an issue that's covered elsewhere in these forums already? There are a few issues with hide/sneak dropping without appearing when you click on PC corpses or do things with trade windows or looting.