Shammy - Barb vs Troll

[nilmerg]

Hi. I've been wanting to try out a Shaman for a long while. I have moderate experience with classic era EQ, by no means an expert. I was trying to debate between barb or troll for the race. I know troll has the awesome regen, but barb isn't hated by everyone. What did you guys pick, and why?

[iruinedyourday]

I love my barb cus i wanted a barb. That said, a troll in full plate looks fucking awesome.. so if you go troll, please wear full plate.

Troll also gets a snare clicky, so its got that going for it, probably could do some fun kite with it while you level? meh.

It doesn't really matter between troll/barb IMO.. extra few hps a tick is meh. If after a full life bar you're like, "that 86 more HPS I got as a troll is the reason I won that fight!" then you got lucky & you're saying something you'll never say again.

You get dat planer gear and wear it like a bawse then you will be happy u picked troll, that said planer gear is hard to get.

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But daym, that shit makes me wish I rolled troll sometimes.

*edit* you said barb isnt hated by everyone, yet buying spells/skillups at the GM is easier as a troll, becuse the only place you can do that as a barb is in bumfuk halas 360 miles away from everywhere.

Fun to go on RP trips to halas tho so, barbs got that going for it I guess.

[loramin]

If you want to power-game things for when you someday hit 60, the hierarchy of shaman races is basically:

1. Ogre (stun immunity is handy for soloing at high levels)
2. Troll (regen is great, and they can use the JBB)
3. Iksar (regen is great, but no JBB)
4. Barbarian (no immunity, no regen)

But that being said, I picked a Barbarian myself and have no regrets because ...

• XP Penalty: Barbarians have the lowest XP penalty. I'm only level 57 after playing for more than a year: if I'd gone evil I'd be even lower right now.
• Jaundiced Bone Bracer: I use my JBB A LOT, and Iksar can't. 'nuff said.
• Kunark Cities: Almost all of the good dungeons in Kunark lower your faction with The Overthere. If you're an Ogre/Troll you have to choose between avoiding those dungeons, being KOS in your only Kunark town, or doing a lot of faction work.
• Old World Cities: This is less of a deal, but it's still nice to be able to sell/bank in Kaladim, Freeport, and various other places all over that evil races can't.

IMHO, the correct race for you is ... whatever seems the most fun. Seriously, this is a game, and none of the factors I just listed really matter that much. Just do what appeals to you.

[Potus]

Do Barbarians still have that annoying graphical glitch where their shoes are black? Yeah go Troll.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Potus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do Barbarians still have that annoying graphical glitch where their shoes are black? Yeah go Troll.

the shoes thing yes, sigh.

[Byrjun]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you want to power-game things for when you someday hit 60, the hierarchy of shaman races is basically:

1. Ogre (stun immunity is handy for soloing at high levels)
2. Troll (regen is great, and they can use the JBB)
3. Iksar (regen is great, but no JBB)
4. Barbarian (no immunity, no regen)

This list is correct, except I'd put Iksars below Barbarians as the worse Shaman race. People don't really seem to consider starting stats for some reason, and Iksar starting stats are really bad compared to the other 3 races. That might not be enough to bury them, but being restricted from certain gear (especially JBB) does. They get some better resist gear choices in Kunark (Scaled Mystic, Stone of Morid, etc), but it's not enough to make up for it.

Originally Posted by Potus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do Barbarians still have that annoying graphical glitch where their shoes are black? Yeah go Troll.

There's a fix for this, also fixes the black splotches on dark elf armor, dragon wings, evil eyes, etc.

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Stun immunity doesn't mean you can solo anything that someone with stun immunity can't. You are wrong if you think so. If a stun prevents you from end game soloing you suck and shouldn't be trying to end game solo.

Nothing really "prevents" you from end game soloing, it's just not having certain things makes your life more difficult, and in a really close fight you could lose without access to stun immunity / JBB / whatever.

Originally Posted by Rourk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If regen was king, high end shamans would never take off Fungis. But they do. Regen loses a lot of its appeal once you get torpor.

Shamans take off their fungis? I never do unless A) I need to equip a resist chest for an AE fight, or B) I'm standing in EC and want to equip my Jaundiced Bone BP for vanity. It's really noticeable when I'm not wearing my fungi, even with access to Torpor. You don't really want to be casting Torpor, you just have to occasionally. I'd go as far as to say that the only upgrade to fungi bp in the game for a Shaman is Vindi BP.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Byrjun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This list is correct, except I'd put Iksars below Barbarians as the worse Shaman race. People don't really seem to consider starting stats for some reason, and Iksar starting stats are really bad compared to the other 3 races. That might not be enough to bury them, but being restricted from certain gear (especially JBB) does. They get some better resist gear choices in Kunark (Scaled Mystic, Stone of Morid, etc), but it's not enough to make up for it.

There's a fix for this, also fixes the black splotches on dark elf armor, dragon wings, evil eyes, etc.

Nothing really "prevents" you from end game soloing, it's just not having certain things makes your life more difficult, and in a really close fight you could lose without access to stun immunity / JBB / whatever.

Shamans take off their fungis? I never do unless A) I need to equip a resist chest for an AE fight, or B) I'm standing in EC and want to equip my Jaundiced Bone BP for vanity. It's really noticeable when I'm not wearing my fungi, even with access to Torpor. You don't really want to be casting Torpor, you just have to occasionally. I'd go as far as to say that the only upgrade to fungi bp in the game for a Shaman is Vindi BP.

I agree with this post almost in entirety. However, the JBB is over valued when people discuss Ikky shaman, it is not better than just 1 more epic click.. JBB becomes a toy at 50 so, ikky IMO (and moreso with velious gear) will be the strongest of all the shamans (if you are a min max nerd - which I am 100% not).

For a level 60 shaman MR/Regen > all other things. You said it yourself, shamans dont take off fungi unless its for vanity reasons (which I happen to think is the most important class based statistic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] the vanity stat, ahh cant get enough vanity, that stat dont cap!).

So I disagree that Ikky is at the bottom, and challenge that it should be at the top!

About the barb shoes, you say there is a fix for this? Is it a patch? is it a local fix? I would love to know! thanks! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So in the end troll/ikky I think are the only class based stat that really is valuable at 60 - troll can use JBB which is a fun toy. But MR is more important (however with any class gear at 60 you are well into the area of being safe from death because of an MR related non PVP attack).

Blind is like the only thing that's ever going to kill you, other than stupidity [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

PS what about them barb shoes? fix? omg! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hope this post doesn't rusttle some jimmys (if you think stun is #1 then by all means think that! But it is in my opinion inferior to the vanity stat)

[Esheon]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

About the barb shoes, you say there is a fix for this? Is it a patch? is it a local fix? I would love to know! thanks!

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=73974

Hit the link for "Texture Repair Project".

[nilmerg]

I had a dream about my troll shaman last night. The signs are true.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by nilmerg [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I had a dream about my troll shaman last night. The signs are true.

so it is written.

get dat plate armorz.