Enchanters didn't charm until PoP dire charm AA

[Delekhan]

I think most of us agree Charm isn't the same as it was back then, but I think it's pretty fair to say Charm in P99 feels right. I like it the way it is here. Chanter on classic was a fuckin drag.

[Gustoo]

Most important part of your quote was the fact that they said Druids dominated solo for every expansion.

[starkind]

Meh. The goal of this game was to be brutal and troll players like it was some kinda grand table top game where if the wizard was polymorphing everything the DM would just put them up against something with polymorphing as an innate ability lol. Or a whopping 90% spell resist lol. Or the wizard would become the victim of a trap. Or a million other fun ways to die horrifically and unexpectedly.

[HanzzYolo]

I trust everyone's non-biased recollection of charm mechanics from 20 years ago. Let's rewrite the code based on their memories.

[Clazxiss]

Originally Posted by starkind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Double triple /s

But you're wrong about one thing. EQ classic is not designed for the players or by today's MMO standards where if warlocks bitch enough pre expansion launch they get a blanket 10% buff across the board.

Back in the day the decisions were made by one or two people to suit the desires of the devs. With the input of maybe their enchanter buddy on test, maybe taken into consideration.

If the devs from the Verant days saw how charm, channeling, and lulls where used herei. P99, and memblurs. They would have been nerfed into the ground.

Necromancer should be top classic class, followed closely by druids in popularity and shamans in actual power.

Ench, wiz, and mages all fell about equal in power. Because the Froglok King, Fungus King, whatever have u would've literally sliced them all to shreds with three attacks even with runes.

Necromancers where the only class that could reliably get single mobs rooted and parked and murdered with dots and pets.

Charm sucked. It was a gimmick, always intended to be a gimmick.

And this is the part where I remind you and others that the EQ/Verant devs were not good at their job. There is a reason only a few of them would go on to bigger and better things.

You mention the devs would've nerfed charms, lulls, and channeling if they saw how they would be used today. Those spells and ability are used exactly how they should be, crowd control. The fact you anticipate that's how the devs would respond is not wrong though. That's how they typically responded to such things on live because, they always felt they were right without ever consulting the players.

Listening to players, and sifting through the negative nancies, is an integral part of making solid games in today's gaming market. What I'm pointing out is the fact this was non existent back in the day for EQ is why the dev team handled class balancing so poorly, leading to other major problems down the road.

People who are screaming for class nerfs are actually asking Rogean and Nilbog to adopt the classic Verant (Absor) attitude toward the P99 playerbase. You do not want this, ever.

[starkind]

And going on to bigger and better things charm is almost non existent in any other mmos.

Aside from one or two mobs with super buffs intended to be used mind control in wow...

Pretty sure eq2 charm is practically just some kinda flavor if it exists at all?

Care to cite any of these devs and games where charm works like p99?

There's absolutely zero evidence across the board of charm being so good aside from data collection post pop on takp.

If u want to remake classic at some point you need to go off the all around general consensus that charm sucked by the majority of classic players, testers, and even back in the day devs and guides who probably get a good chuckle at enchanters clutching their pearls here.

[Nirgon]

Sorry you can't charm a pet for AoW like less advanced humans did 20 years ago

Maybe try practice, effort and animal fats/meat based protein in your diet

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by HanzzYolo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I trust everyone's non-biased recollection of charm mechanics from 20 years ago. Let's rewrite the code based on their memories.

What do you think the current iteration of charm on p1999 is built from?

[Stonewallx39]

Originally Posted by RecondoJoe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I vividly remember charm being too unreliable to use, and people raging at enchanters for trying to use it in our groups. This is also why everyone fawned over the Magician pet. Nothing came close to it... P99 is not classic at all when it comes to charm...

Do you think it’s possible you experienced this because enchanters (just like everyone else in 1999) didn’t fully understand the mechanics like we do today?

Most people were likely:
Not maxing charisma (OP said they were but he wasn’t an enchanter)
Charming too high of levels mobs
Were not focusing or -mr spells and gear

If you skip any of those on p99 you’re going to have a bad time.

[Clazxiss]

Originally Posted by Stonewallx39 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you think it’s possible you experienced this because enchanters (just like everyone else in 1999) didn’t fully understand the mechanics like we do today?

Most people were likely:
Not maxing charisma (OP said they were but he wasn’t an enchanter)
Charming too high of levels mobs
Were not focusing or -mr spells and gear

If you skip any of those on p99 you’re going to have a bad time.

There is strong truth to this. Unless you had someone take you under their wing or you decided to visit castersrealm.com, you learned your class through trial and error. I remember having to check Allakazam for the list my spells as well learning what they did.