green is the new wow

[condap99]

starting threads complaining about variance when there are what, 7 raid mobs in game? when /list helps you ezmode your way to anything important?

how sad.

green is the new wow. ezmode game for those that can't hack blue.

[RecondoJoe]

You can tell people don't play WoW because they refer to it as ezmode.

EverQuest can be time consuming, but it's for sure an easier game to play. Last summer when Classic WoW came out I had to play with multiple 2 gallon jugs next to my computer so I could piss without leaving the game because I knew if I AFK'd for even 30 seconds my group would instantly kick me out and I would fall behind in the race. This is not me just sitting here passively pressing Complete Heal once every 2 minutes either while watching YouTube, this is me spamming the hell out of Flash of Light trying to keep six people alive while being borderline OOM the entire time. Meanwhile in EQ, most of you level characters while at work and a lot of groups don't even care if you stay AFK over half the time -- because it's an extremely casual game.

There's very little way to express your skill level in EverQuest either. A good rogue and a bad rogue essentially both do the same thing. They press backstab and stand there. In World of Warcraft, a rogue has about 36 key binds and the difference between a good rogue and a bad rogue is insanely obvious -- some rogues are actually good at their class, but still can't raid because they get wrecked by the mechanics.

On my particular server, you've got players literally trying to kill you every where you go. Most of the players who like Red just like Red because they're able to bully players. In WoW, this will never happen. You're not going to one shot another player, and even if you get the jump on him, if he has more skill than you do, he can and will kill you. It's team based too, so the longer a fight goes on, the more likely you are to get outnumbered and destroyed.

Even on Retail, once you hit level 120, it doesn't matter how good you are at the game. It takes months to unlock the reputation required for mandatory essences, it takes weeks to unlock enough corruption resistance before you can even do certain raid content, and most guilds won't even invite you to their raid teams anyways, you don't just say "hey can I join your guild" and show up for a raid and get handed free loot that would otherwise rot. Guilds tend to be a lot more selective when they can only bring a set number of players and the difference between a good player and a bad player is the difference between your entire raid wiping or succeeding. Even one dead weight individual in your raid is usually too much for your group to carry during progression.

That being said, EverQuest is a way better game, but it's for sure not harder.

[Hotel]

Originally Posted by RecondoJoe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That being said, EverQuest is a way better game, but it's for sure not harder.

Is it harder to kill mobs in EQ than in WoW? No.

Is it harder to get mobs to kill in EQ than in Wow? Yes.

The 'skill' in EQ has everything to do with the ability to bring mobs cleanly into your group and or raids camp. This is an infinitely more interesting concept than killing the mob itself.

[condap99]

Originally Posted by Hotel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is it harder to kill mobs in EQ than in WoW? No.

Is it harder to get mobs to kill in EQ than in Wow? Yes.

The 'skill' in EQ has everything to do with the ability to bring mobs cleanly into your group and or raids camp. This is an infinitely more interesting concept than killing the mob itself.

Gets it.

[booter]

Originally Posted by condap99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Gets it.

This might be the dumbest opinion to ever be opined.

[RecondoJoe]

Originally Posted by Hotel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is it harder to kill mobs in EQ than in WoW? No.

Is it harder to get mobs to kill in EQ than in Wow? Yes.

The 'skill' in EQ has everything to do with the ability to bring mobs cleanly into your group and or raids camp. This is an infinitely more interesting concept than killing the mob itself.

In some instances this is actually true. I've yet to experience this on Green though. Most of the time I'm having to help my group pull (even as a healer) because the content is so trivial (170 ZEM plays a huge part with this) and over-camped that every group in the entire zone is pulling like 30 mobs at a time.

[Arteker]

Originally Posted by RecondoJoe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can tell people don't play WoW because they refer to it as ezmode.

EverQuest can be time consuming, but it's for sure an easier game to play. Last summer when Classic WoW came out I had to play with multiple 2 gallon jugs next to my computer so I could piss without leaving the game because I knew if I AFK'd for even 30 seconds my group would instantly kick me out and I would fall behind in the race. This is not me just sitting here passively pressing Complete Heal once every 2 minutes either while watching YouTube, this is me spamming the hell out of Flash of Light trying to keep six people alive while being borderline OOM the entire time. Meanwhile in EQ, most of you level characters while at work and a lot of groups don't even care if you stay AFK over half the time -- because it's an extremely casual game.

There's very little way to express your skill level in EverQuest either. A good rogue and a bad rogue essentially both do the same thing. They press backstab and stand there. In World of Warcraft, a rogue has about 36 key binds and the difference between a good rogue and a bad rogue is insanely obvious -- some rogues are actually good at their class, but still can't raid because they get wrecked by the mechanics.

On my particular server, you've got players literally trying to kill you every where you go. Most of the players who like Red just like Red because they're able to bully players. In WoW, this will never happen. You're not going to one shot another player, and even if you get the jump on him, if he has more skill than you do, he can and will kill you. It's team based too, so the longer a fight goes on, the more likely you are to get outnumbered and destroyed.

Even on Retail, once you hit level 120, it doesn't matter how good you are at the game. It takes months to unlock the reputation required for mandatory essences, it takes weeks to unlock enough corruption resistance before you can even do certain raid content, and most guilds won't even invite you to their raid teams anyways, you don't just say "hey can I join your guild" and show up for a raid and get handed free loot that would otherwise rot. Guilds tend to be a lot more selective when they can only bring a set number of players and the difference between a good player and a bad player is the difference between your entire raid wiping or succeeding. Even one dead weight individual in your raid is usually too much for your group to carry during progression.

That being said, EverQuest is a way better game, but it's for sure not harder.

im going to debunk ur shit one at time.

1:retail wow, u claim rogue has 36 keybinds , my 3,1k rogue says hi with 8 keybinds. kill 0. 1 2 3 4 5 (+Shift) Q R F X C (+Shift or Strg) and u are on excess


2: classic wow isnt the same as a a pack of mobs die on the same time u take down a single mob in everquest, different system of lvling . aswell instances .


3: ur skill lvl in everquest is based on ur ability to play ur class and read situations ,same as wow .

4[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]n retail u can be 470 i lvl max cloack and loaded on corruption if u know ur shit

5[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]vp Grief on everquest was harsher bloodier than it was ever on wow, corpse camp, steal items . train wreck,,,,,,,, unlike wow where u can just mount up and fly away .

6: u cannot one shot in wow? TD and infinite stars stacking says hi.u could one shot on all xpacks of wow minus legion due to pvp templates.

7: the longest pvp 1vs1 on everquest raged for 3 hours , that was a record of sullon zek .

8:scripted pve raid bosses are easy as fuck its mostly a dps fight while move from a to B. As someone who raided wow hardcore and everquest havings world firsts on both games i maintain UQUA in eq trumps any raid zone ever devised by blizard on pure hardcore . even more than original unnerfed firelands.

[Zoggren]

Originally Posted by Arteker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

UQUA in eq trumps any raid zone ever devised by blizard on pure hardcore . even more than original unnerfed firelands.

This zone was the beginning of the end of my live playing days. Guild was stuck there for quite a while.

[RecondoJoe]

Originally Posted by Arteker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

im going to debunk ur shit one at time.

1:retail wow, u claim rogue has 36 keybinds , my 3,1k rogue says hi with 8 keybinds. kill 0. 1 2 3 4 5 (+Shift) Q R F X C (+Shift or Strg) and u are on excess


2: classic wow isnt the same as a a pack of mobs die on the same time u take down a single mob in everquest, different system of lvling . aswell instances .


3: ur skill lvl in everquest is based on ur ability to play ur class and read situations ,same as wow .

4[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]n retail u can be 470 i lvl max cloack and loaded on corruption if u know ur shit

5[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]vp Grief on everquest was harsher bloodier than it was ever on wow, corpse camp, steal items . train wreck,,,,,,,, unlike wow where u can just mount up and fly away .

6: u cannot one shot in wow? TD and infinite stars stacking says hi.u could one shot on all xpacks of wow minus legion due to pvp templates.

7: the longest pvp 1vs1 on everquest raged for 3 hours , that was a record of sullon zek .

8:scripted pve raid bosses are easy as fuck its mostly a dps fight while move from a to B. As someone who raided wow hardcore and everquest havings world firsts on both games i maintain UQUA in eq trumps any raid zone ever devised by blizard on pure hardcore . even more than original unnerfed firelands.

1) Are you actually trying to argue that playing a Rogue in EverQuest which involves standing there and pressing backstab every 10 seconds takes more skill than a Rogue in EverQuest? On P99 people on my friends list damn near lose their mind when I tell them what my key binds are -- they can't even fathom having a keybind set to Q or X, or C (N is my consider button). It just blows their mind -- I frequently tell people if they played WoW it would make them a much better EQ player. As a Cleric I vividly remember my Enchanter having his mind completely blown at how I'm able to target mobs and root them faster than he can mez them -- this same Enchanter is considered "good" by P99 standards. Reality is, this game runs about 10x slower than WoW and requires about 90% less keyboard input. Clicking on a mob and pressing root is only mechanically challenging for the P99 community because 90% of them are boomers who have never played modern games.

2) I play Classic and Retail -- most people who are serious about WoW do.

3) In EverQuest there's usually 1 person doing most of the work for an entire group. Are you telling me that the Cleric, Warrior and Magician who are sitting at Kobold Royals, waiting on their monk to pull mobs to them is having to read the situation? Are they displaying amazing situational awareness, and mechanics? No. I think it's funny because I see this frequently pointed out in this thread where there's "more skill involved" because pulling can be dangerous, and it's like, so you have a raid with 40 people in it, and 2 people pulling, and this somehow translates into the other 38 players displaying incredible skill at pulling by sitting there tabbed out on youtube waiting for their free loot?

4) No one said it's hard to get 470 ILVL, the reality is, it takes months. This is THE main reason that no one plays an alt in BFA and new or returning players get frustrated and quit the game. It would take them literally months of grinding to to catch up. There is no getting around this. In EverQuest you can buy some CB belts and Goblin ears, twink a character with BIS eveything and be level 50 with full planar in well under a month. A month in WoW might get you Nazjatar reputation. My own excerpts talking about this months before I even knew P99 existed.

Not to mention the fact that you have to actively play WoW to keep your raid spot. The context of the conversation we're having is essentially if someone just bought WoW today, how long would it take them to reach end-game? Literally months. But BFA has been out for 3 years, and new content was released frequently the entire time. To hold your spot in a raid team, that means those players had to actively raid the entire time, weekly, rather than sitting AFK in EC Tunnel or logging off completely until the next patch drops (which is what most people on P99 do once they get their planar). That might work in EQ, but in WoW, you'll be quickly replaced and forgotten about.

5) You make no sense. In some points of your post you reference Classic, and in others you do not. Did people in classic just turn on their flying mounts that don't exist and fly away? No? Was flying allowed in any of the PVP zones like Isle of Thunder? No? Have the last 3 expacs been released with no flying? Yes? Do you even play this game? The fact that you're actually delusional enough to compare EQ PVP to WoW is just... like I don't even think the biggest EQ fan boys would describe it's PVP as good.

6) You just contradicted yourself again. The rest of these boomers don't play WoW so they have no idea, but we both know you just listed two items that takes months of grinding to get (and some people never get them because they have bad luck). These are also two items that require the stars to align perfectly to actually be useful, and even then, I've literally never gotten one shotted by any of them. I main a fucking Rogue and when I duel other Rogues I don't even stealth, I let them open on me, and then after they blow all of their cool downs I turn around and destroy them. I never dip below 40% HP even eating everything they can throw at me.

7) This sounds similar to watching a Blood DK duel a Holy Paladin in WoW. This is not a display of skill or high level gameplay, and is the main reason that they were forced to add time limits to arenas.

8) So you think that sitting along a wall in PoF and PoH while people deliver free loot to you requires more skill than WoW raiding? I actually started laughing as I typed this because I started having flashbacks from my first time "raiding" on P99. A far cry from the terror it was 20 years ago.

[Arteker]

Originally Posted by RecondoJoe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1) Are you actually trying to argue that playing a Rogue in EverQuest which involves standing there and pressing backstab every 10 seconds takes more skill than a Rogue in EverQuest? On P99 people on my friends list damn near lose their mind when I tell them what my key binds are -- they can't even fathom having a keybind set to Q or X, or C (N is my consider button). It just blows their mind -- I frequently tell people if they played WoW it would make them a much better EQ player. As a Cleric I vividly remember my Enchanter having his mind completely blown at how I'm able to target mobs and root them faster than he can mez them -- this same Enchanter is considered "good" by P99 standards. Reality is, this game runs about 10x slower than WoW and requires about 90% less keyboard input. Clicking on a mob and pressing root is only mechanically challenging for the P99 community because 90% of them are boomers who have never played modern games.

2) I play Classic and Retail -- most people who are serious about WoW do.

3) In EverQuest there's usually 1 person doing most of the work for an entire group. Are you telling me that the Cleric, Warrior and Magician who are sitting at Kobold Royals, waiting on their monk to pull mobs to them is having to read the situation? Are they displaying amazing situational awareness, and mechanics? No. I think it's funny because I see this frequently pointed out in this thread where there's "more skill involved" because pulling can be dangerous, and it's like, so you have a raid with 40 people in it, and 2 people pulling, and this somehow translates into the other 38 players displaying incredible skill at pulling by sitting there tabbed out on youtube waiting for their free loot?

4) No one said it's hard to get 470 ILVL, the reality is, it takes months. This is THE main reason that no one plays an alt in BFA and new or returning players get frustrated and quit the game. It would take them literally months of grinding to to catch up. There is no getting around this. In EverQuest you can buy some CB belts and Goblin ears, twink a character with BIS eveything and be level 50 with full planar in well under a month. A month in WoW might get you Nazjatar reputation. My own excerpts talking about this months before I even knew P99 existed.

Not to mention the fact that you have to actively play WoW to keep your raid spot. The context of the conversation we're having is essentially if someone just bought WoW today, how long would it take them to reach end-game? Literally months. But BFA has been out for 3 years, and new content was released frequently the entire time. To hold your spot in a raid team, that means those players had to actively raid the entire time, weekly, rather than sitting AFK in EC Tunnel or logging off completely until the next patch drops (which is what most people on P99 do once they get their planar). That might work in EQ, but in WoW, you'll be quickly replaced and forgotten about.

5) You make no sense. In some points of your post you reference Classic, and in others you do not. Did people in classic just turn on their flying mounts that don't exist and fly away? No? Was flying allowed in any of the PVP zones like Isle of Thunder? No? Have the last 3 expacs been released with no flying? Yes? Do you even play this game? The fact that you're actually delusional enough to compare EQ PVP to WoW is just... like I don't even think the biggest EQ fan boys would describe it's PVP as good.

6) You just contradicted yourself again. The rest of these boomers don't play WoW so they have no idea, but we both know you just listed two items that takes months of grinding to get (and some people never get them because they have bad luck). These are also two items that require the stars to align perfectly to actually be useful, and even then, I've literally never gotten one shotted by any of them. I main a fucking Rogue and when I duel other Rogues I don't even stealth, I let them open on me, and then after they blow all of their cool downs I turn around and destroy them. I never dip below 40% HP even eating everything they can throw at me.

7) This sounds similar to watching a Blood DK duel a Holy Paladin in WoW. This is not a display of skill or high level gameplay, and is the main reason that they were forced to add time limits to arenas.

8) So you think that sitting along a wall in PoF and PoH while people deliver free loot to you requires more skill than WoW raiding? I actually started laughing as I typed this because I started having flashbacks from my first time "raiding" on P99. A far cry from the terror it was 20 years ago.

1:Rogue in Eq is way more than just press stab stab, , if u knew what pulling is u would be suprised about rogue St pulling works.but Ey if u allready dont know its your own stupidity showing off. congrats to waste ur mana instead lettin ur enchanter do his job.

2: i dont , Classic is shit gimped with alot of exploits and cheese up first months with customized easy mode .

3: i do expect the others to keep a eye on nearby respawns and keep the room clear while i do bring mobs. these 2 pullers in any raid take more skill than and patience than anything i have seen in mmos outside WAR warpforged farm.

4: it takes 2 weeks to get to 470 i lvl . conquest gear peaks at 460 , u can get up to 3 items per day just wastin2 hours while filling ur neck to lvl 90 then jumpin to Heroic nya .
u have iron balls to say such bullshit, HELOO Heirlooms, u can make nazjatar rep in less than 2 weeks , hi pet battles , maldivas , nameds . contracts,

Are you comparing bfa grindin with vanilla eq? do it proper and do it with mother fucking Gates of discord and then compare how easy fuck is mythic nya with Uqua
yeah the diference btw raids from wow and eq is u are on ur safety land where nobody can hump ur instance, try it out on a non instance scenario

5: Halaa hellfire peninsula, winter grasp,,,, say hi noob,u picked a exception to make ur point valid like a true spin doctor but yet u fail another time.people in classic avoided pvp servers for one reason and is they sucked hard in pvp .Pathfinder says HI , main people it was introduced rolfmao was to try to reintoruce dying open pvp wich was dying because,,,, FLYING MOUNTS lawl. u should really look for crying when they introduced nets to dismount people in flying mounts.

6: corruptions are on a 3 days rotation with 2 weeks worth of stockpiling echos to buy whatever u need , 8,3 says Hi retard . congratulations on having the most retarded arsenal of defensives on the game , feels gud ehhhh.

7: blood dk is the worst pvp spec on bfa yet still he can cram enough TD to one shot any hpal , say hi to my pal flarkness.

8:congratualtions 21 years later u made it , in other hand u can still wipe in both places trying to break in . wow meta stacking means u cannot even fail at the basics untill u happen to arrive to gluth and kt on vanilla.