Howling Stones - Question

[rubinoff]

Monk/Necro duo is godly in HS and great exp. One of the places you don't need a shaman to get great duo exp.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by Bardp1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

At level 54 you will get eaten alive in HS and honestly no one really wants to group with monks in there unless they are friends. As mentioned above, there are many barriers to a monk being successful in Charasis and your journey will almost certainly end in disaster unless you get a team together.

Lagging out and dying at zone in is a very real threat also.

Don’t listen to this guy, this isn’t true at all. These kinds of attitudes are the reason why so many redundant and non creative group compositions exist on p99.

While soloing will suck here on a monk, as others have said there are still ways to xp in here. When I used to duo this with enc/cleric id always welcome a monk to join if they came in LFG. The added dps and tanking made this way faster and enjoyable. Don’t be afraid to get out there and try to join groups and think of different combinations to be effective. You’ll make more friends that way too which will make future grouping easier. Definitely try to get your epic asap though. It’s too op to wait on and makes leveling more enjoyable as it stacks with your haste item.

[Izmael]

An enc / cleric duo will not really welcome a monk, most of the time, unless it's a friend etc.

The reason is the one outlined by another poster above - the monk will steal aggro and negate the leverage of CH on the pet, while adding negligible DPS (compared to a hasted and torched pet, that is).

The monk will be more efficient if they stay FD the whole time and just leech exp from the duo.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by Izmael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

An enc / cleric duo will not really welcome a monk, most of the time, unless it's a friend etc.

The reason is the one outlined by another poster above - the monk will steal aggro and negate the leverage of CH on the pet, while adding negligible DPS (compared to a hasted and torched pet, that is).

The monk will be more efficient if they stay FD the whole time and just leech exp from the duo.

Monk tanks just fine with slow, having charm pet eat HT with chanter pulling. You then have a tank and monks dps is noticeable. Did west/south all the time with this trio, would prefer it over just enc/cleric any day.

[Teppler]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Monk tanks just fine with slow, having charm pet eat HT with chanter pulling. You then have a tank and monks dps is noticeable. Did west/south all the time with this trio, would prefer it over just enc/cleric any day.

The problem is enc/cleric is an optimized duo. Adding a monk is very far from being an optimized trio.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by Teppler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem is enc/cleric is an optimized duo. Adding a monk is very far from being an optimized trio.

Lol how is that very far from being an optimized trio? Best trio in game IMO except maybe swapping a torpor shaman in at 60.

[Izmael]

Adding a monk to a cle/enc duo in HS will result in slower exp for the enc and the cle.

They will have to keep a ~3k hp tank up instead of keeping a 6-8k hp tank up, which changes the dynamics of the party. The cleric will simply not have enough mana. Slowing everything will drain the enchanter's mana, ToT or not.

I wouldn't be surprised if the trio actually had a slower kill rate than the duo.

The monk is basically a liability here.

[Teppler]

If I'm a part of the cleric/chanter duo, honestly, I'd rather have a necro/chanter, mage, shaman and probably even a few other classes before monk.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by Teppler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If I'm a part of the cleric/chanter duo, honestly, I'd rather have a necro/chanter, mage, shaman and probably even a few other classes before monk.

The problem with multiple pets is aggro will likely pong, and it's annoying for the cleric. Having a static tank makes charm life much easier. What's a shaman going to add over a monk in this situation? Their pet dps?

Originally Posted by Izmael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Adding a monk to a cle/enc duo in HS will result in slower exp for the enc and the cle.

They will have to keep a ~3k hp tank up instead of keeping a 6-8k hp tank up, which changes the dynamics of the party. The cleric will simply not have enough mana. Slowing everything will drain the enchanter's mana, ToT or not.

I wouldn't be surprised if the trio actually had a slower kill rate than the duo.

The monk is basically a liability here.

A 55+ monk can tank this easily. Their hp doesn't just melt like you think it does. A chanter using tepid deeds and you won't go OOM. You have c2, and ToT. What else are you using mana on? A few calms & charm breaks? It's not hard.

There are plenty of trios that you can make work in HS. But adding a monk is great with the right supporting classes.

[Izmael]

Then good luck I guess.