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Old 08-03-2020, 01:20 PM
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I suggest a halfling named Ringbarron or something decides to stand there, and keep track of the list, for a small fee, or you cannot get on the list.

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Old 08-03-2020, 01:27 PM
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if I read the original post correctly then the O.P. got the camp he wanted and nearly his entire annoyance stems from voluntarily attempting to do a job he didn't have to do in the first place. Is the Ancient Cyclops camp on Green treated differently by GMs than other camps? I've never maintained somebody else's list in going on 11 years playing P99. Too much fuss to bother with that; lists suck for all the reasons the original poster seems to have recently discovered.
In the context of the situation, I had 2 or more people who were clearly grouped and knew each other, and were also both the two previous list holders and ring-looters, remaining at the spawn when they should have left, and arguing with me for the 15-20 minutes that it took for the next person to show up that I didn't have the right to wipe the list. I told them that I did not WANT to wipe the list, but I have the right to do so, and because I extended that courtesy instead of just shitting all over everyone, I expected they would be cool about it. They were NOT cool about it, and then violated the very rules they were SO vigilant in being SO literal about to my detriment, by not even clearing the people that were offline, and just moving the next person up to #1 instead... and you think this was an isolated incident? I'm sure it happens every single day. People looking out for their pals, and the edit history is anonymous, so there's no accountability. There's a reason why it takes 2 weeks to get through the list, because people do whatever the hell they want with it.
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Old 08-03-2020, 02:17 PM
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https://kingdomdkp.com/eqdkp/index.p....html?b451b83d

Friends, have a look at this shit, and settle in for story time.

For those who don't know, this is the purely player-run list for the AC in OOT. Seems like a wonderfully utopian solution to a highly contested camp. Everyone sits around a campfire singing Kumbaya, peacefully waiting until their turn is up.

Except, it's not like that... AT ALL. Names are moved around or deleted with no recourse, and sometimes, the entire list even gets randomly wiped on a whim because *anyone* has edit access, and there is no set rule as to what happens when it's the middle of the night and nobody on the list is available to come take their turn, since you do NOT have to remain in OOT to stay on the list. You don't even have to be logged on! HOW AMAZING! You too can play EQ... without actually PLAYING IT! WOW!

This leads me to my tale of being completely fucked over because I was trying to do the right thing for 100+ people by NOT wiping the list when I was the only person left at the camp at 6:00am:

After about a week and a half I was FINALLY #1 on the list at 5:00am est, but alas; I missed my chance because I fell asleep at the camp about 90 minutes prior. When I woke up and was told "sorry that happened to you", I understood, and reluctantly requested to be added back to the bottom of the list. Yup, I went from #1 to #100 - just like that - but hey, rules are rules, and we've all agreed to play nice.

Now, knowing full well that this list has been wiped out completely at least twice in the last month, because no one was available to take the camp in the wee hours of the morning, I figured I would wait around. Maybe I'd get to be the lucky one who is there when the list falls apart again. After all, I just had a nice nap, I'm still "working from home", and both of the aforementioned resets of the entire list happened when I was somewhere in the 40'ish range, after weeks of waiting. Didn't want that to happen again. About twenty minutes later, the person who was #1 gets their ring, and ... surprise!!! He couldn't find anyone next on the list that was online. There was no one to take over, but me! Hooray!!!

At that point, I had an attack of conscience. How could I live with wiping this list? 100+ people would all wake up to disappointment, just like I had at least twice before, and I would likely be vilified by those who don't understand the rules... SO, I offered to take the next AC spawn, but NOT WIPE THE LIST, even though per the rules and past precedent, I should have done so and put myself at #1, starting over, and screwing everyone. But why? I didn't have a problem holding down the fort until I got my ring, in hopes that someone else who was next would finally log on and resume the list in good faith.

I expressed my intentions to the outgoing list-holder who already just got his ring - but he adamantly remained at the camp and claimed it was all his until someone else showed up. He claimed "I couldn't possibly check the entire list to see who was online before the agreed upon 2 PH's causes the list to reset!"

I should have deleted the list right then and there, but my silly conscience got the best of me again, and I still held out hope for a diplomatic and logical conclusion. Twenty minutes goes by (that's about 3 PH's), and he finally finds a nice halfling druid who was about #45 on the list, who had no idea of the context surrounding him being called to come take the camp. Now, I figure, "well, even though I'm at the bottom of the list now, at least half the list will be skipped since #45 is the next man up who's actually online."

But no. No, no, no. That's not what happened.

Instead of removing everyone who was offline or unable to come, and moving on to the person he DID eventually find at #45, he just moved that person to #1 and kept the entire list otherwise intact... resulting in 40 people - who were not even logged on for their turn remaining on the list unscathed.

But me? I only missed my turn by a little over an hour... and I was online the entire time sitting at the camp, albeit asleep for a few hours, but the list-holder's answer? Too bad, so sad. So, he can keep the list intact and hold the camp for as long as he wants until his pals show up, even after getting his ring, but I can't do the same, even though I have nothing? Again, I guess I should have just dropped 3 ice comets on the next spawn, but it wasn't #45's fault, and it would have been very rude to waste his time. He had no idea what was going on, and just showed up when he was called from another zone.

Of course, now with the time elapsed, more people further down the list started trickling in, and without knowing the full story, and made me out to be a monster for trying to negotiate to take the next spawn, even though I technically did all of them a unnecessary favor by not wiping the list before they even logged on, and allowing the previous list-holder to stall for 20 minutes until his buddy showed up.

In the end, I did not KS anyone, I did not kill any AC's, I preserved the list when I had a chance to wipe it, but I still do not have a ring, and 100 people who are probably still sleeping will get their chance before me (45 of which should have been deleted from the list but never were).

The people who run this list will likely defend it to the hilt because they probably get some type of equity toward loot for putting the time in to maintain it or whatever... but it's absolute dysfunctional nepotistic bullshit with zero accountability, and DEFINITELY NOT CLASSIC.

I know nothing will be done to change this, but one can hope. If you're not even logged on, you shouldn't be allowed to remain on any lists. If you want to play a game, then log on and fucking play it. Jesus Christ.


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In summary, my efforts to leave the AC list intact, instead of screwing over 100+ people by wiping it - which I was completely within my right to do - left me with absolutely nothing but slander from those for whom I actually did a favor. Thank you and GFY.

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Imagine posting this monday morning and realizing you have no career or money in the bank and are too invested in everquest in 2020
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Old 08-03-2020, 02:19 PM
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You guys should just come to a player agreement that the player needs to be waiting there instead of just signing up for a list & not having to have a presence.
This seems like such a good idea!
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Old 08-03-2020, 04:35 PM
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When i got my ring an early morning and no one else was there or online, i just kept at it. 3 hours later i had 2 more rings corpsed when #5 showed up and passed the camp to him. NBD
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Old 08-03-2020, 04:36 PM
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Imagine posting this monday morning and realizing you have no career or money in the bank and are too invested in everquest in 2020
Imagine using the "people who play video games have no life" line in 2020, on a forum dedicated to a video game, and thinking that it won't look like blatantly pathetic projection. If you can't handle playing video games and managing your real life simultaneously, that's a you problem, son.
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Old 08-03-2020, 04:37 PM
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This seems like such a good idea!
One more time for the people in the back
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Old 08-03-2020, 04:39 PM
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When i got my ring an early morning and no one else was there or online, i just kept at it. 3 hours later i had 2 more rings corpsed when #5 showed up and passed the camp to him. NBD
That's wonderful, and you are within your right to do that if nobody showed up... but did you have the two previous list holders there threatening to lawyerquest you? I don't need to be blackballed by a bunch of neckbeards over some run-speed pixels, you know? I normally much enjoy the social aspect of this game when it doesn't involve nepotism disguised as charity.
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Old 08-03-2020, 06:25 PM
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I would state less critical, but yes. Intent of the hosted list.
not everyone on p99 knows about your random website. not everyone on p99 speaks english for that matter. this shit should be on project1999.com. it should be ingame. if the staff expects these agreements to work, some random dude should not be running this at all.

this was exactly the same problem we had with 8th rings on blue. i literally did jimjam's dumb ringbarron suggestion. we still ended up having people roll up not knowing there was an agreement to know about, and just turning in.
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Old 08-03-2020, 06:45 PM
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Just do what I did. Buy the MQ and avoid the toxic.
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