Agnostic Human Rogue factions

[Keebz]

Originally Posted by DMN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, you certainly gave the OP what they wanted. Heh. Now if they want to take the time to pore over it? heh.

If someone wants to give me a dump of all the factions in P99 (I don't really want to scrape the wiki, but I could...), I'd be happy to filter out all the noise. It would also be interesting to get this in the wiki somehow.

[DMN]

Originally Posted by Keebz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If someone wants to give me a dump of all the factions in P99 (I don't really want to scrape the wiki, but I could...), I'd be happy to filter out all the noise. It would also be interesting to get this in the wiki somehow.

Probably be best if someone wants to do anything related to it with the wiki to just find the applicable wiki page for the faction that already exists and just use find/word search and copy/paste the relevant information. maybe under the title of something like "base faction adjustments"? Obviously removing races like vahshir.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Category:Factions

[Verityn]

Originally Posted by Keebz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Found this faction dump from live on the EQ classic forums. Might help answer some of our questions wrt class/race faction, assuming p99 is pretty close.

https://pastebin.com/raw/EXkdMT1W

Pretty fun reading. I also read there's some quirks like Prexus worshippers aren't KOS to sharks and ocean creatures and Brell worshippers aren't KOS to earth elementals. It's especially interesting given, we all have the chance to be DE's soon!

This is beyond awesome. Thank you very much. Everything seems pretty easy to understand however I'm wondering where you're seeing that Prexus worshippers aren't KOS to shark? Perhaps you saw the Servants of Hydro faction and thought it was the ocean creatures when it's actually the water elementals in Twilight Sea.

Here are some of the things I learned that hopefully will be the same on green.

As for Human Rogue I don't think one could be more neutral in standing with a lot of the factions that aren't outright xenophobic. The exception being the various merchant and citizen factions that treat rogues like dark elves (-200 isn't that big of a deal at all). In cases where a faction hates everyone Rogues will often be hated least. Like the Karana Bandits and most of the human criminal factions, Rogues are the least hated class and since they obviously have nothing against Humans a human rogue is not KOS to the bandits. It almost makes me not want to do the bandit sash quest just for the novelty of being liked by my homies. In those instances if I was a dwarf or a barbarian rogue I'd be viewed threateningly. Gnomes Rogues are pretty close to humans though and some cases slightly better faction-wise.

Human Rogues are also in a pretty good position to not be attacked in Neriak by most of the common factions there with only a -175 starting faction to the guards for example. Dwarf and Barb Rogues on the other hand are very KOS. Not much I can do with the factions that hate everyone race except dark elf, troll and ogre.

Ultimately what I get with a Human Rogue is being viewed apprehensively with pretty much every human faction in the game whether they are necro guildmasters, paladins or bandits. Being human and agnostic in most other cases just serves as something that doesn't hurt or help me. Also, just at a glance it seems that human and gnome rogues don't really have to worry much about faction when it comes to their epics since we're not KOS in kaladin or the part of Neriak you have to go to.

I feel pretty good about being a human now.

[Benanov]

Wow. The iksar hits are huge compared to the other qualifiers.

[Deathrydar]

Originally Posted by Verityn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thanks for the reassurance. At the very least it seems like I might con threateningly to the halas guards, but even with that I can still turn in the gnoll fangs there to bring it up to dubious. I'm hoping for something similar with Neriak Commons. I just think it would so cool to go there as a human and not just with a DE mask.

You can go there as a human rogue, you just need to stay away from the Wiz/Mage guild...

[Verityn]

Originally Posted by Deathrydar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can go there as a human rogue, you just need to stay away from the Wiz/Mage guild...

That's where factions are kind of hard to understand. So the casters are part of The Spurned faction which I should only be apprehensive (-250) to assuming this list is correct. However I see people mentioning them being aligned with the King who is KOS to me (-500). Technically if I get 1 point of faction he should be dubious to me after that. The same for the warrior guild where I should be able to sneak into Crushbone to kill a single elf slave to get -499 (dubious). Of course there are some factions that are -1000.

Exploring all of this in game is going to be a lot of fun.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Verityn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's where factions are kind of hard to understand. So the casters are part of The Spurned faction which I should only be apprehensive (-250) to assuming this list is correct. However I see people mentioning them being aligned with the King who is KOS to me (-500). Technically if I get 1 point of faction he should be dubious to me after that. The same for the warrior guild where I should be able to sneak into Crushbone to kill a single elf slave to get -499 (dubious). Of course there are some factions that are -1000.

Exploring all of this in game is going to be a lot of fun.

Just remember that the wiki faction numbers are like the ZEMs. No one really knows the exact numbers here, because ShowEQ is banned (and without a tool like that there's no way to determine the exact numbers ... in fact, I'm kinda surprised you could even see those with ShowEQ ... but I assume that's how people got them back in the day?)

Which faction you gain/lose is almost always correct in the wiki, but you should take the numbers only as a "best guess".

[Lojik]

That list is awesome but I don't think it's the same for p99 (at least for some things.) Sol ro erudite wizard is apprehensive to order of three, but according to this it should be indifferent or above.

[Cen]

Originally Posted by Lojik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That list is awesome but I don't think it's the same for p99 (at least for some things.) Sol ro erudite wizard is apprehensive to order of three, but according to this it should be indifferent or above.

I was going to say that Solusek Ro specifically on that list is way, way wrong. On P99 its interesting, it gives better faction across the board than being agnostic!

[Verityn]

Originally Posted by Lojik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That list is awesome but I don't think it's the same for p99 (at least for some things.) Sol ro erudite wizard is apprehensive to order of three, but according to this it should be indifferent or above.

I guess at least that's not so wildly different that I would have to throw away this list. I was never going to fully trust it anyways because I'd really like to avoid being killed in a place that might make it hard to get my body back even as a rogue.