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From 51-60 the damage bonus on FR goes 18 20 21 22 26 27 29 31 33 37 It ramps up very nicely and 43 delay is one of the “sweet spots”
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I have been to a lot of AoW kills, and never saw one Warrior use Frostreaver. 100% anecdotal, but that is what you were looking for. Typically from what I remember, when we were training warriors to MT AoW, they were still really well geared. You basically need to get the gear first before you become an option. Things may have changed since then. I don't raid much these days. Also from what I recall Warriors sometimes used https://wiki.project1999.com/Whitestone_Shield on AoW. So a 2H weapon is off the table anyway. You need a good 1H weapon to sword and board.
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Last edited by DeathsSilkyMist; 09-20-2022 at 03:46 PM..
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Remember all weapons have static proc rates (ie no proc mods). Threat is now capped at 400 with the only exception being red blade (500) and any damage it adds on top (DD and dot). There are no “god weapons” after the proc aggro nerf. Before, there were a ton to include crap like WESS and infestation much less feverblade etc. All the “good ones” now have very comparable raw aggro procs. Beyond that it’s just a function of ratio and damage bonus.
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My memory is at least partially from before the clickie Nerf. I believe tanks liked https://wiki.project1999.com/Whitestone_Shield and https://wiki.project1999.com/Blade_of_Carnage on AoW because it offered more HP, and you could coast on the hate generated by dumping midnight mallets into the mob. The delay on that weapon is low, so you were still getting good white damage agro too. I never saw Frostreaver used in a big encounter. I doubt that has changed, since even after the clickie nerf having a 1h weapon allows you to use a shield if the encounter calls for it. Not to say you can't use Frostreaver as a backup in certain cases. As Allishia points out she uses her 2H Epic in some situations. Frostreaver is currently still going for cheap DKP-wise, so I don't think there is something hidden in the weapon that people are missing.
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Hidden? No. Under appreciated? Yep.
And yes I’m very much interested in Allyisha’s input. Last time I ran the napkin math Frostreaver was a fair bit above 2h epic: -procs: 2h epic has a strong proc (675 from 500+ dd). It runs a 300 threat per minute advantage over Frostreaver. -damage bonus: 2h epic, though faster, actually generates less DB threat because it’s DB is 34. It works out to 1791 hate/min from DB alone. FR is 1857 -white damage potential threat: Frostreaver at 42/43 is a superior ratio to 36/41 … so more actual dps and more actual “white damage” threat. Both suffer from the whole … 50% less procs which makes the warrior a lot more vulnerable to the random number generated goddess of eq. But remember. Damage bonus and white aggro threat are a constant. Once you click attack, whether you hit or miss, have avatar or not, critical hit or not … each swing generated identical aggro that is only a function of ratio, damage bonus, and haste (we are assuming here that everyone hits 100%) The only wild card are the procs. Given enough time you always settle on average but real world could mean you got lucky with 5 procs in the first 30 seconds … or no procs in the first 2 minutes. Al warriors know this and have been there.
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Going from 2 procs to 3 (2 hander to DW) is a 50% increase. Going from 3 down to 2 (depending on how you look at it … is a 33% drop). Funny how math/numbers work. I just always think of it as a 50% drop in available procs.
What are your thoughts Naethyn?
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Lol fair enough. Best response ever. I have likely taken something fairly simple and over-complicated it. I’m a bit of a weirdo and do like to dive into nitty gritty details. Always have. Always will. If nothing else at least maybe people will recognize that just because they don’t see a thing done commonly doesn’t make it bad or not viable. Most high end weapon combinations involving VP blades, epic, NToV weapons … and yes even FR put out strikingly similar threat. Just wanted to hear from other warriors who two hand tank. Only Ally thus far has mentioned they have or do (even if situationally).
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