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Old 09-23-2022, 12:48 PM
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have epic, trident, feverblade, shissar, and frostreaver

2h wise epic feels better aggro than frostreaver
1h wise it feels feverblade/epic same as epic/trident, and both get aggro better than frostreaver

shissar blade proc mob usually doesnt stick on me, so its the weakest 1h of among them
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Old 09-23-2022, 01:56 PM
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The weapon bonus is applied as hate in your offhand, even though it is not applied as damage.
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This is the first I am reading of this. Is this confirmed?
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Old 09-23-2022, 02:17 PM
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This is the first I am reading of this. Is this confirmed?
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Old 09-23-2022, 03:30 PM
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Can you give me some more information on that Allishya please? I have been primarily using red blade MH and Shissar OH, but perhaps I should put Feverblade OH instead? Or even Feverblade MH red blade OH
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Old 09-23-2022, 04:15 PM
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If true that changes everything. DB threat being applied to offhand is not intended, not classic, but if so does actually put dual wield setups at a relatively massive advantage.

If it were possible to duel wield infestations it bumps them up to 7040 threat per minute.

It puts willsapper/red at 7,747 hate per minute instead of 7093 due to an extra 654/hate per minute from offhand DB.
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Old 09-23-2022, 10:34 PM
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This is why I started this forum thread .. we are all learning!

The more we all know the better we all are. If Ally is right I have to re-evaluate everything.

Offhand should not apply DB for dual wield. If it does all my napkin math is wrong.
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Old 09-24-2022, 02:22 AM
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This is why I started this forum thread .. we are all learning!

The more we all know the better we all are. If Ally is right I have to re-evaluate everything.

Offhand should not apply DB for dual wield. If it does all my napkin math is wrong.
Relax DSM
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Old 09-24-2022, 02:30 AM
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I'll be honest i'm personally having a hard time believing offhand DB is counting for aggro but it does account for the anecdotes of high end warriors and aggro experiences.

If it is true it is not classic but makes sense.

Regardless it makes my long term plans more secure.

Unlike DSM my mind is wide open.
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Old 09-24-2022, 09:17 AM
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I'll be honest i'm personally having a hard time believing offhand DB is counting for aggro but it does account for the anecdotes of high end warriors and aggro experiences.

If it is true it is not classic but makes sense.

Regardless it makes my long term plans more secure.

Unlike DSM my mind is wide open.
Fit my anecdotal and tested evidence. I was about to post a bug thread about it when Detoxx posted his.

Barbed Scale Whip is the best warrior offhand, or Nev Offhand (the 'Toxx would know - I don't have Nev Horn.) in pure white tpm.

Doesn't change a whole lot, I'm still using SoD+Jaelens or some Trident variant 95% of the time, but it's an interesting quirk.
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Old 09-24-2022, 09:26 AM
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There's something magic about actually testing stuff.

Yet still posts and posts later, you dont just go equip a single damage offhand weapon and attack something, count the swings, and see how many random level 1 spells it takes to get it off you.

Let alone a half dozen other major things you're failing to grasp as you very obviously don't and have never even bothered to test based on how you write. So, go test some stuff. Test your aggro, test your supposed proc hate limit caps, test your proc aggro versus mob hitpoint, test your aggro degrade over ticks, test your transfer of hate lists on assists, go test your actual ripost rates versus swings taken, go test how taunt actually works. Go be better, instead of telling the forum you know everything and getting to page 8 on a thread you tell people you're an expert regarding and realise people gave you the answers on a platter finally.

And then maaaaaybe look at some of the first few posts here, re-read them now you know some people have tested, worked as groups etc. You just talk talk talk talk talk. Yet know not even the basics. And people here tried to help all along before giving up and just vomiting it in plain daylight.
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