Frontal stun immunity

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Loadsamoney [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ah, good to know. So Ogre Warrior isn't massively ahead of all other Warrior races then.

I've always leaned towards Barbarian for my Warrior race, personally.

Yup. No racial is make or break. We are simply talking about which one is best. None are required to play Warrior effectively.

[Naethyn]

Natures Touch can be casted at double the range of torpor 100 vs 200 and is relevant for fights with aoes. It also doesn’t require to be in the group. That said, you’ll find a torpor shaman in the tank group. Sometimes when a shaman loses 60 from deaths I’ll boot them from the tank group telling them we don’t need a Druid.

[Loadsamoney]

Originally Posted by Naethyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Natures Touch can be casted at double the range of torpor 100 vs 200 and is relevant for fights with aoes. It also doesn’t require to be in the group. That said, you’ll find a torpor shaman in the tank group. Sometimes when a shaman loses 60 from deaths I’ll boot them from the tank group telling them we don’t need a Druid.

That's mean, lol. Class bias and favoritism isn't supposed to be a thing anymore.

[Jibartik]

This how I feel about frontal stun.

The only thing that can kill any shaman is a unresisted DDs IMO

[Cen]

Everyone always talks about strong racials and Regen and FSI but never slam. Slam is awesome on SK and Warrior [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] especially SK. It's pretty critical to play a big race for SK imo

[Danth]

Originally Posted by Cen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Slam is awesome on SK and Warrior [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] especially SK. It's pretty critical to play a big race for SK imo

My experience is the opposite; I don't care about slam all that much on a shadowknight. It doesn't hurt but I've never had cause to think of it as "critical." Fear's usually a better method of spell suppression. There's always shields so any shadowknight who wants to bash can do so with at worst a weapon change. I like slam best on a shaman since it otherwise doesn't get that ability at all and has very weak interrupts besides.

Danth

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My experience is the opposite; I don't care about slam all that much on a shadowknight. It doesn't hurt but I've never had cause to think of it as "critical." Fear's usually a better method of spell suppression. There's always shields so any shadowknight who wants to bash can do so with at worst a weapon change. I like slam best on a shaman since it otherwise doesn't get that ability at all and has very weak interrupts besides.

Danth

Slam is actually better for fear kiting than spell interruption on an SK (even though it does help with that too). The idea is that every time you stun the enemy for 1 second or so, you are extending your fear runway because they stop moving during the stun period. This is especially great in places where you have a small runway to fear kite.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmDvk3udrhI shows an example of this I believe.

[Stonewallx39]

Originally Posted by Naethyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Combat skills still work while stunned as long as you are facing the mob.

[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] You are stunned!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Gorgalosk was tormented.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Gorgalosk was hit by non-melee for 14 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Gorgalosk bashes YOU for 69 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Stone begins to harden around your body. You have taken 40 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Bandit pierces Gorgalosk for 1 point of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Gorgalosk tries to hit Cats, but misses!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Cats tries to pierce Gorgalosk, but Gorgalosk ripostes!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Gorgalosk was burned.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Gorgalosk hits Cats for 94 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Cats tries to pierce Gorgalosk, but Gorgalosk ripostes!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Gorgalosk tries to hit Cats, but misses!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Cats tries to pierce Gorgalosk, but Gorgalosk ripostes!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Gorgalosk was tormented.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Gorgalosk was hit by non-melee for 14 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Gorgalosk hits YOU for 61 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] You resist the Stone Breath spell!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] Arcler has healed you for 300 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:30 2022] The Celestial Elixir fades.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:31 2022] Bandit pierces Gorgalosk for 18 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:31 2022] Bandit tries to backstab Gorgalosk, but misses!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:31 2022] Bandit backstabs Gorgalosk for 120 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:31 2022] Gorgalosk was burned.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:31 2022] Gorgalosk hits Cats for 358 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:31 2022] Cats tries to pierce Gorgalosk, but Gorgalosk ripostes!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:31 2022] Gorgalosk tries to hit Cats, but misses!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:31 2022] Cats tries to pierce Gorgalosk, but Gorgalosk ripostes!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:31 2022] Gorgalosk tries to hit Cats, but misses!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:31 2022] Cats tries to pierce Gorgalosk, but Gorgalosk ripostes!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:31 2022] Gorgalosk tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:32 2022] Gorgalosk tries to hit YOU, but YOU parry!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:32 2022] You try to crush Gorgalosk, but Gorgalosk ripostes!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:32 2022] Gorgalosk tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:32 2022] You try to crush Gorgalosk, but Gorgalosk ripostes!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:32 2022] Gorgalosk tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:32 2022] You try to slash Gorgalosk, but Gorgalosk ripostes!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:32 2022] Gorgalosk was tormented.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:32 2022] Gorgalosk was hit by non-melee for 14 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:32 2022] Gorgalosk hits YOU for 193 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:32 2022] You try to slash Gorgalosk, but Gorgalosk ripostes!
[Wed Mar 16 18:33:32 2022] You are unstunned.

Wait how come you’re attacking before your unstunned?

[Jimjam]

Its not great evidence as the parrys, swings and unstun all occur on the same timestamp so they may have just been reported innthe wrong order (ie was unstunned the whole time of 183332).

[Stonewallx39]

Okay, I checked my logs and what Naethyn brought forward seems to be correct. While it was not common (maybe just rng?) I did find instances where my defensive abilities fired while I was stunned, and not during the same time stamp (hopefully elimination the ordering noise).

Conclusion: Stun immunity should not have any impact on mitigating damage. However as said above FSI may slightly improve the ability to gain aggro due to either additional melee swings (could matter early in a fight?) or uninterrupted spell casting.

[Fri Jun 17 16:50:44 2022] You are stunned!
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:44 2022] A Disciple of Innoruuk bashes YOU for 48 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:44 2022] A Disciple of Innoruuk tries to punch YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:44 2022] A Disciple of Innoruuk tries to punch YOU, but YOU block!
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:44 2022] You think you are heading SouthWest.
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:44 2022] Mata pierces a Disciple of Innoruuk for 58 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:44 2022] You can't try to forage while attacking.
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:44 2022] Chaunce slashes a Disciple of Innoruuk for 24 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:44 2022] Chaunce slashes a Disciple of Innoruuk for 44 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:44 2022] Mata pierces a Disciple of Innoruuk for 58 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:44 2022] Lisson pierces a Disciple of Innoruuk for 19 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:45 2022] Trayke slashes a Disciple of Innoruuk for 30 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:45 2022] Gambitt pierces a Disciple of Innoruuk for 1 point of damage.
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:45 2022] Mata slashes a Disciple of Innoruuk for 13 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:45 2022] Ulricht slashes a Disciple of Innoruuk for 34 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:45 2022] Syphyn pierces a Disciple of Innoruuk for 18 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:45 2022] You can't try to forage while attacking.
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:45 2022] Riptorage regains concentration and continues casting.
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:45 2022] Chaunce slashes a Disciple of Innoruuk for 15 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:45 2022] Trayke pierces a Disciple of Innoruuk for 26 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:46 2022] Chaunce slashes a Disciple of Innoruuk for 29 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:46 2022] You try to crush a Disciple of Innoruuk, but miss!
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:46 2022] You crush a Disciple of Innoruuk for 153 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:46 2022] You are unstunned.

[Tue Jul 05 22:25:46 2022] You are stunned!
[Tue Jul 05 22:25:46 2022] A Chetari Dominator bashes YOU for 70 points of damage.
[Tue Jul 05 22:25:46 2022] A Chetari Dominator tries to hit YOU, but YOU block!
[Tue Jul 05 22:25:46 2022] A Chetari Dominator hits YOU for 101 points of damage.
[Tue Jul 05 22:25:46 2022] A Chetari master hits Keeya for 154 points of damage.
[Tue Jul 05 22:25:47 2022] Enemyy was tormented.
[Tue Jul 05 22:25:47 2022] Enemyy crushes a Chetari Dominator for 68 points of damage.
[Tue Jul 05 22:25:47 2022] Enemyy was tormented.
[Tue Jul 05 22:25:47 2022] Enemyy crushes a Chetari Dominator for 39 points of damage.
[Tue Jul 05 22:25:47 2022] Keeya crushes a Chetari master for 132 points of damage.
[Tue Jul 05 22:25:47 2022] Keeya crushes a Chetari master for 151 points of damage.
[Tue Jul 05 22:25:47 2022] Keeya kicks a Chetari master for 60 points of damage.
[Tue Jul 05 22:25:48 2022] Duwen was tormented.
[Tue Jul 05 22:25:48 2022] Duwen crushes a Chetari Dominator for 26 points of damage.
[Tue Jul 05 22:25:48 2022] A Chetari Dominator hits YOU for 61 points of damage.
[Tue Jul 05 22:25:48 2022] A Chetari Dominator hits YOU for 166 points of damage.
[Tue Jul 05 22:25:48 2022] Enemyy was tormented.
[Tue Jul 05 22:25:48 2022] Enemyy kicks a Chetari Dominator for 57 points of damage.
[Tue Jul 05 22:25:48 2022] You are unstunned.