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Originally Posted by Teppler
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How long ago were the crusades? How many secular nations have been great since then?
Almost all of modern days societies evolution cane from the great conditions of Christian societies largely because of the system of rules and laws that allowed for building and advancement to take place. And as we move away from those values you can see how we are declining in real time.
On the flip side what does atheism provide for a society? Increased degeneracy which I’ve already shown the deeply harming effects that has, fractures community without a unified set of decent morals, leaves room to justify mass atrocities.
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You're moving the goalposts by discounting the crusades, you're again gatekeeping Christianity. Besides which you're ignoring the terrible shit Britain/her agents were responsible for for the sake of looting the world.
Law and order precedes christianity. The Mediterranean cultures that housed early christianity are from which western development is derived. By definition they predate christian values. Istanbul also played a major role of influence in thr development of modern nations despite not being christian.
The thing is you're again moving the goal posts talking about modern nations, that has nothing to do with morality.
You argued morality is impossible without christianity, now you're arguing devopment of modern societies required the support of christian institution which is really a different debate and distracts from the fact there are clear examles Christianity is not synonamous with morality.