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Originally Posted by Jimjam
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You're moving the goalposts by discounting the crusades, you're again gatekeeping Christianity. Besides which you're ignoring the terrible shit Britain/her agents were responsible for for the sake of looting the world.
Law and order precedes christianity. The Mediterranean cultures that housed early christianity are from which western development is derived. By definition they predate christian values. Istanbul also played a major role of influence in thr development of modern nations despite not being christian.
The thing is you're again moving the goal posts talking about modern nations, that has nothing to do with morality.
You argued morality is impossible without christianity, now you're arguing devopment of modern societies required the support of christian institution which is really a different debate and distracts from the fact there are clear examles Christianity is not synonamous with morality.
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How long ago were the crusades?
How many Christian societies have run successfully since then?
Now figure out the likely ratio and realize your argument is nutty.
Remember at the end of the day the people following Christianity are still human and make human mistakes. Humans sin, even Christians. Trying to be better is a big thing in Christianity not the guarantee that you’re a perfect creature right now. And also there’s been groups that have taken control of establishment Christianity. It’s happening right now.
Your argument is the other side of the coin of anecdotally pointing at your atheist buddy who you consider a good person therefore atheism is good. It’s a wack ass argument. You’re missing appropriate context.