Vulak Axe vs. Tunare Sword

[Crede]

Elves/erudites/humans look better with the sword. Ogre/trolls/dwarf for axe. Iksars look like garbage with 2HS so I guess sword if anything since it’s cheaper.

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Keebz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Palladius looks fucking rad. Tunare sword is for weebs.

Source: not a weeb. have a Palladius.

[greatdane]

It's kind of annoying to proc root.

[shovelquest]

I think I would like it on a paladin, because you can just step away and heal whenever. But other than that I'd go with the other.

[Solist]

Originally Posted by greatdane [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's kind of annoying to proc root.

It was when you could push interrupt. Tunare fist and 2h were laughably bad. Trash for naggy alts etc.

[greatdane]

Even without that, it's just an irritating proc to have on your main weapon. On raids it doesn't land so it's essentially a weapon with no proc whereas Palladius' proc is unresistable, and in group content it's a hassle for everyone to have to account for melee spacing on mobs that are inconsistently rooted, and rooted mobs won't run so you take more damage in zones where runners otherwise stop fighting back at low HP. When soloing, an SK doesn't want root because it ruins fear-kiting, and a paladin can cast root so it isn't needed from a proc and you may want to reposition away from wanderers because you can't feign off adds. Root procs on weapons are simply bad, ranging from irrelevant (raid content where it does nothing) to detrimental for you (annoying in groups, liability when soloing).

A weapon that procs root would be better if it had no proc at all. It's not like an SK can use it to root mobs on purpose, it's nowhere near reliable enough for that. A paladin can root at will if needed and wouldn't want it to happen at random when it sometimes causes problems.

The only possible scenario where the proc on Tunare sword isn't decidedly bad is when you would have wanted to root the mob wherever it currently stands, and it would have been problematic for you to cast it yourself (i.e. a totally OOM paladin), and you then happen to actually proc the root at just the right time when those conditions are met, and it isn't resisted or instantly broken. That'll happen like twice a year.

The weapon's ratio and stats save it from being trash, but the proc makes it worse than it would have been if it had no proc, and therefore demonstrably worse than Vulak axe which also happens to have much better stats and a proc that makes up for the tiny difference in ratio.

[shovelquest]

Originally Posted by greatdane [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A paladin can root at will if needed and wouldn't want it to happen at random when it sometimes causes problems

After logging 50 billion hours in this game I would prefer to press 1 less button and just step back and start healing randomly during the fight when I felt like it. So I still think it would be a great twink paladin weapon.

[Jimjam]

Hmm idk about the groups complaint. Most groups i’m in the tank tiptoes the mob regardless of root.

[Snaggles]

People use Tunare weapons when ratio > all else. The Vulaxe on a ratio level is barely better than a Meljeldin. This and the fact most knights are mocked for low dps, justifiably or not, levels 1-60…so a ratio bump is a desired thing.

You can’t see 80ac on a dps parse with the rest of your nerd friends. If root is a problem use one of your other 5 bagged weapons.

[greatdane]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

After logging 50 billion hours in this game I would prefer to press 1 less button and just step back and start healing randomly during the fight when I felt like it. So I still think it would be a great twink paladin weapon.

Sure, but if you're at the point of redundancy where you consider Petrified Heartwood Flamberge a twink weapon, Mr. Shovelquest (if that's even your real name), I don't think your perspective is of great importance in a discussion about which weapon is better. You would probably wear a Guardian Robe for style points, but you wouldn't recommend that in a discussion about the best paladin chest item.

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People use Tunare weapons when ratio > all else. The Vulaxe on a ratio level is barely better than a Meljeldin. This and the fact most knights are mocked for low dps, justifiably or not, levels 1-60…so a ratio bump is a desired thing.

You can’t see 80ac on a dps parse with the rest of your nerd friends. If root is a problem use one of your other 5 bagged weapons.

Vulaxe's unresistable 80dd proc basically equalizes the weapons for DPS purposes. There's no meaningful difference between them, and then Vulaxe's stats are much better for when you do have to tank something. The only reason to favor Tunare sword is that you can get it for much less DKP. There's no noteworthy scenario where it's actually a better weapon, it's just a lot easier to get.