Official Green Server Thread - October 2019

[Bellringer]

Originally Posted by Harbogast [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you undo all the changes that Daldaen proposed then I will play on green. This includes such things as buff timers not showing (thanks Dald), nerfed autostand on spell-cast (thanks Dald), having to equip PoM flowers to cast them (thanks Dald), and essentially every other change that made the game less enjoyable. (thanks, Daldaen)

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[Videri]

Originally Posted by Harbogast [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you undo all the changes that Daldaen proposed then I will play on green. This includes such things as buff timers not showing (thanks Dald), nerfed autostand on spell-cast (thanks Dald), having to equip PoM flowers to cast them (thanks Dald), and essentially every other change that made the game less enjoyable. (thanks, Daldaen)

What trivial complaints. Your body is not ready for Green. /bye

Also, Daldaen is a champion.

[Demoraliser]

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[Evia]

I was 100% going Rogue on Green until I saw that eventually green chars will move onto blue. No sense in having two rogues...so now I'm struggling at choosing a new main for Green...
Despite playing a highly group oriented class in the Rogue I'm actually terrible at socialising and maintaining a crew of friends in online games, so a solo artist sounds like a good class choice such as an Enchanter or Necro. However, I would love to break that habit by forcing me to play another group oriented class like a Warrior or Cleric.

Decisions....

[loramin]

Originally Posted by urbanbo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What if Daybreak were to step in at this point and request that 10 years of work for their next TLP?

They would have no legal claim to it. Quick backstory on copyright (with the obligatory warning that I'm not a layer) ...

When you write anything (a book, a line of computer code ... anything that involves creative effort on some level, so not like phone book entries or something like that, but just about everything else), you own a copyright to what you wrote. You get that copyright automatically, the moment you write something. Whenever you see the © symbol and the author's name/date, that's not technically necessary: it's just the author adding a little more "legal strength" (should the copyright ever get tested in court). Fundamentally they already own the copyright without that symbol.

So back in '99-'01 the original EQ devs wrote the server code for EverQuest, and because they signed a contract with Verant before they wrote it, Verant (later SOE) owned the copyright on that source code. But, as far as anyone knows, that code has since been lost to time: not even SOE or Daybreak have it today.

Because it was lost, the devs here never even had a chance to look at it. What they did was reverse engineer it (ie. they figured out how the old code must have worked, and wrote their own, completely original, code). Because they wrote original code, they, not Daybreak, owns the copyright on that code.

So why did the P99 people enter that agreement with Daybreak then? Two reasons. First, there's the copyright on the client.

For legal reasons P99 is very careful never to tell anyone how to get the Titanium client, and the reason is they don't own the copyright on that. No one has ever reverse-engineered and re-created an open EQ client (it's theoretically possible, but man that'd be a big project). Plus, the client doesn't just have code: it has graphic models, which are also protected by copyright. Even if programmers re-invented the code behind them, we'd need 100% new (unclassic) models if we wanted a completely legal and Daybreak-independent P99 client. Thus, all of us players are in theory infringing on Daybreak's IP when we "pirate" the Titanium client.

Now again, P99 stays away from that, but in a sense they're encouraging copyright violation, so it's not 100% black and white in their favor. Sure Daybreak isn't even selling that client anymore (in fact, they never really sold it originally either), and there are these things known as "fair use rights", so we players might be protected ... but when it comes to IP laws who is right isn't all that matters. "Do you have enough money to to sustain a lawsuit long enough to prove that you are right" is also a huge factor, and Daybreak can almost certainly outspend R&N on lawyers, so regardless of who would "win" in such a fight ... R&N would lose.

On top of that, Daybreak still owns the trademarks on terms like EverQuest and Firiona Vie. Without getting into details, trademarks work differently than copyright, and there's plenty of "gray area" there for a vicious corporation to out-lawyer R&N if they wanted.

Long story short, R&N definitely won with the Daybreak agreement (and so did Daybreak). Daybreak definitely has some legal leverage to hold over R&N's head. But when it comes to the P99 server code specifically, that's R&N's, and no one can touch it.

[mgb64029]

It's more than a month away, I wonder how many people will be at server launch?

[Jibartik]

We should all pool our money together and buy advertisements on youtube and facebook and reddit and stuff haha

[Videri]

Originally Posted by Evia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was 100% going Rogue on Green until I saw that eventually green chars will move onto blue. No sense in having two rogues...so now I'm struggling at choosing a new main for Green...
Despite playing a highly group oriented class in the Rogue I'm actually terrible at socialising and maintaining a crew of friends in online games, so a solo artist sounds like a good class choice such as an Enchanter or Necro. However, I would love to break that habit by forcing me to play another group oriented class like a Warrior or Cleric.

Decisions....

It might not be entirely crazy to play a rogue, since it will be a different experience from playing one on Blue. That said, I feel the same as you. I don't think I'm going to play a wizard since I have Seaglass at 54 on Blue.

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by Videri [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It might not be entirely crazy to play a rogue, since it will be a different experience from playing one on Blue. That said, I feel the same as you. I don't think I'm going to play a wizard since I have Seaglass at 54 on Blue.

I am going to wait and play druid or wizard on purple 99 since they are so great at PVP and focus on Pve classes for green 8) Ive never done a wizard before so i am pretty excited to play one in 2025

[Rogean]

Originally Posted by TheBlob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have a question that is more about the logistics of having green and blue (and red) up at the same time:

Do you guys think we will need two EQ folders to play both servers? The way I understand, patches modify files in the folder so a specific EQ folder corresponds to a specific point in time of EQ. How will that work with simultaneous green/blue?

You do not need two separate folders. Our era system is built into the client files when necessary. For example, the spells file contains multiple versions of the same spell. When the client logs into the server, the DLL receives information from the server on which era should be applied, and the DLL then loads the correct spells for that era.