What do the P99 Veterans think will happen to the economy on Green when Kunark drops?

[RecondoJoe]

Do you think items like Torpor and Fungus Tunic will be similar to the prices that are currently on Blue? Higher? Lower?

[deadlycupcak3z]

Nah there’s been a pretty chill economy on green that made realistic growth over time and leveled out well after market saturation. I’m certain items like fungi and even level 60 spells will end up in guild hands for quite a while (think who was selling GEBs early on, unlike things like GBS which were high value but diff type of camp) due to what it takes to camp them before there are 60s everywhere wanting to form farm groups. Also I’m sure they will eventually come with some dramatic prices but realistic for the era/length of time people have been farming plat (also a difference when compared with blue).

[cd288]

Originally Posted by deadlycupcak3z [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nah there’s been a pretty chill economy on green that made realistic growth over time and leveled out well after market saturation. I’m certain items like fungi and even level 60 spells will end up in guild hands for quite a while (think who was selling GEBs early on, unlike things like GBS which were high value but diff type of camp) due to what it takes to camp them before there are 60s everywhere wanting to form farm groups. Also I’m sure they will eventually come with some dramatic prices but realistic for the era/length of time people have been farming plat (also a difference when compared with blue).

This isn’t fully accurate for Green though. Prices for significant items from like day one never took into account how long people had been farming plat for. Look how much things like FBSS and certain weapons were going for from the start. People sit on those items and set the market at the price they want and are perfectly content to hold out because they know it doesn’t take a lot of time for people to farm lots of plat in this game. Prices for something like a fungi tunic will be through the roof for the first like 6 months at least.

[M.J.]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This isn’t fully accurate for Green though. Prices for significant items from like day one never took into account how long people had been farming plat for. Look how much things like FBSS and certain weapons were going for from the start. People sit on those items and set the market at the price they want and are perfectly content to hold out because they know it doesn’t take a lot of time for people to farm lots of plat in this game. Prices for something like a fungi tunic will be through the roof for the first like 6 months at least.

I'll be amazed if we don't have mass boxing bans and RMT bans when it comes to fungis, VP keys, etc, and most people are going to get burned out on their shamans before reaching Torpor level - which is part of why the price has remained so high for so long. People willing to do 54-60 solo are willing to put in that exact same amount of time to farm whatever price people are charging.

[Baler]

Day 1, nothing much. New items will be introduced at exorbitant prices.
Day 2, Low stat items from classic that get replaced by better stat items in kunark, and will begin to take a dip in price.
Day 3, ***ers banned in mass
Day 4, Guild suspensions will cause raid geared characters to pour into non-raid zones and begin flooding the market.
Day 5, man kind as we know it is lost as the evercrack addiction takes over
Day 6, all Iksars classes have reached level 60
Day 7, people complain on the forums about not getting a camp in a world thats now twice as big.

[Snortles Chortles]

[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Baler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Day 1, nothing much. New items will be introduced at exorbitant prices.
Day 2, Low stat items from classic that get replaced by better stat items in kunark, and will begin to take a dip in price.
Day 3, ***ers banned in mass
Day 4, Guild suspensions will cause raid geared characters to pour into non-raid zones and begin flooding the market.
Day 5, man kind as we know it is lost as the evercrack addiction takes over
Day 6, all Iksars classes have reached level 60
Day 7, people complain on the forums about not getting a camp in a world thats now twice as big.

Lmao number 7

[Arvan]

One things for sure people will monopolize camps and then price gouge unless they make everything good a /list again which would be lol

[TheRusty]

One thing to remember is that blue is a very mature server, and has very significant plat inflation as a result. So the majority of items will be significantly cheaper than on blue.

The high-end items - level 60 spell drops, fungi tunic, JBB, etc - are simply not going to filter into the East commons economy for a long time, as these items are going to first and foremost go onto the characters that collect them. When they do start filtering down to the buying public, then you can probably expect prices similar to blue, but perhaps with a premium due to the novelty of their sale.

The market for a lot of lower-level classic items is going to drop out entirely. No one's going to want your woven grass bracelets or charred guardian boots, except people who have a level 1 alt and a fat 100pp for twinking. Most of the level 30+ drops will be pretty stable though.

[M.J.]

Originally Posted by TheRusty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

One thing to remember is that blue is a very mature server, and has very significant plat inflation as a result. So the majority of items will be significantly cheaper than on blue.

The high-end items - level 60 spell drops, fungi tunic, JBB, etc - are simply not going to filter into the East commons economy for a long time, as these items are going to first and foremost go onto the characters that collect them. When they do start filtering down to the buying public, then you can probably expect prices similar to blue, but perhaps with a premium due to the novelty of their sale.

The market for a lot of lower-level classic items is going to drop out entirely. No one's going to want your woven grass bracelets or charred guardian boots, except people who have a level 1 alt and a fat 100pp for twinking. Most of the level 30+ drops will be pretty stable though.

I'd say any non trade-skill item under 500pp doesn't exist in a market at all but in more of a quasi barter economy, which was true at Green's launch and remains mostly true now that people are offering common drops for 50-100pp for some non-planar BIS off pieces, at least I've recently had decent trades for low value items people were happy to get in that range and that I needed to fill slots.

Kunark is going to introduce the one bandit bracer alongside hero bracer, so that's like 90% of non fatties handled with hero bracer + iksar bracer in wrist slot, at least until raiding or 45+ AC seeking tanks & clicky enthusiasts drop absurd early amounts for convenience clicks (ignoring standouts in price for rarity / difficulty like Donal's / Tolan's), back slot hbc will stay exactly the same and hiero cloak will just slowly lower in value over time until Velious/Chardok2.0 drop respectively. Dex will matter more than at present so warriors (always a big buying / twink force in the EC economy) will also lower the price some more on items that seem like they should stay high due to how good they are for all other classes besides maintank warriors.

I wouldn't expect Blue precedent to stand here as people that could stomach the nearly full year of Classic and make plans for kunark (and follow through) could have saved up enough plat for Melee Binds at fire pots, and it follows they'd hold out and keep farming planes & dungeons for another half year or whatever until Epics go in.

Ixiblat will add multi week chances at EC CoF through Ixiblat once epics are in until the servers end game, and literal Epic sales through guilds for things like Bard & Cleric Epic drops & Shaman Epic fights. So I expect high prices until Epics drop then Ragebringers flood the haste market and less-so VP keyed get their mobilization game on point because they've already bought up inflated everything that makes wonky itemized planar outside of Sky seem like a reliable cost effective alternative (or they just play a LOL Class that hardly needs stats in the first place) and from there we get the 5 year kunark dynamic on a crunch where content doable by 50s at Kunark's launch is held at bay until the most casual of casual EC vendors and grandpa dungeon crawlers just need to maintain presences on one of their alts near the epic fights they need done and the server divide between Epiced Casuals that will go Giant faction in Velious and the "We kill literally everything and poop sock" crowd will set in.

TLDR: Grandpa's with Druid Epics are going to gouge the fuck out of EC Vendors once they finally make it, haste will finally go down in price only for low end haste items and mid-tier haste will stay high, Torpor stays ridiculous, Fungi's stay rare due to boxing bans the same way manastones did once people realized they were fancy paper weights and not godly PL items which required a higher level healer to make them viable outside of Manadancing.

Brell Serillis followers will be comfy in the hole.