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[JurisDictum]

The (hard) conservative stance is it is up to the states what kind of abortion laws they want to have. If they want to say there is basically no abortion allowed -- so bit it. The problem with this is the main people that need abortions are poor and uneducated and unlikely to be able to go out of state for abortion. So the people least able to raise good citizens are forced to try to.

Now if your a mildly autistic dumbass that doesn't understand much about the world outside of your personal experience. You might be thinking "why don't women just give it up for adoption?" Well, because that is a very unnatural thing to do. Women are chemically compelled to bond with their newborns and don't like handing them over after a full-term pregnancy.

Again, we are often talking about the lowest common denominator in society...It's not even close to a significant number that are well-off good mothers that just were too lazy to take birth control or whatever other fuckin sterotype the pro-life white trash born-again red necks are pitching. A huge portion of them are low income blacks....

Yea that's what we need. A bunch of low income children with single mothers more-or-less forced to have these kids. That's totally consistent with all the rightwing arguments against immigration...

Look. The only reason this is part of platform for Republicans is to turn out the Evangelical vote. Evangelicals love to persecute sluts -- and abortion is associated (not always fairly) with being a slut. Business interests are just using it as a wedge issue -- this was basically the first wedge issue in America.

It's not that I think anyone against abortion is a piece of shit. But I have strong suspicion that all those old fucks (they're always old) outside of abortion clinics protesting are pieces of shit. Talk about misplaced anger. And this includes true-believing Judges and Justices...they twist their interpretation of the law whatever way they need to. Expansionists -- strict -- whatever gives less rights to abortion.

We had a good law after Ro vs Wade... You can have an abortion in the 1st trimester...when the fetus doesn't even have much of a nervous system and is a bunch a gope. Then for 2nd trimester...its gonna depend state to state. 3rd is likely a no go in most cases...because why wait so fucking long? At some point the fetus becomes viable as a human life.

The court scrapped that in favor of letting the Evangelic states once again block 1st term abortion. This was a mistake and the court should have never started moving backwards on it. Letting Evangelicals legislate this by state is the picture of tyranny of the majority.

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by skarlorn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i use condoms until i actually trust the woman. i had a college girlfriend try to trap my sperm into babyhood and learned my lesson. however, if i trust a woman and know she is clean i will spring for a copper-based IUD which is more effective than a condom and allows for the holy union of penis and vaginal tissues. i will benefit for at least 5 more years of financial, spiritual, and emotional maturity before raising children. thank you for considering this and god bless the heathen scum we must destroy

Really good post, especially the last clause

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The (hard) conservative stance is it is up to the states what kind of abortion laws they want to have. If they want to say there is basically no abortion allowed -- so bit it. The problem with this is the main people that need abortions are poor and uneducated and unlikely to be able to go out of state for abortion. So the people least able to raise good citizens are forced to try to.

Now if your a mildly autistic dumbass that doesn't understand much about the world outside of your personal experience. You might be thinking "why don't women just give it up for adoption?" Well, because that is a very unnatural thing to do. Women are chemically compelled to bond with their newborns and don't like handing them over after a full-term pregnancy.

Again, we are often talking about the lowest common denominator in society...It's not even close to a significant number that are well-off good mothers that just were too lazy to take birth control or whatever other fuckin sterotype the pro-life white trash born-again red necks are pitching. A huge portion of them are low income blacks....

Yea that's what we need. A bunch of low income children with single mothers more-or-less forced to have these kids. That's totally consistent with all the rightwing arguments against immigration...

Look. The only reason this is part of platform for Republicans is to turn out the Evangelical vote. Evangelicals love to persecute sluts -- and abortion is associated (not always fairly) with being a slut. Business interests are just using it as a wedge issue -- this was basically the first wedge issue in America.

It's not that I think anyone against abortion is a piece of shit. But I have strong suspicion that all those old fucks (they're always old) outside of abortion clinics protesting are pieces of shit. Talk about misplaced anger. And this includes true-believing Judges and Justices...they twist their interpretation of the law whatever way they need to. Expansionists -- strict -- whatever gives less rights to abortion.

We had a good law after Ro vs Wade... You can have an abortion in the 1st trimester...when the fetus doesn't even have much of a nervous system and is a bunch a gope. Then for 2nd trimester...its gonna depend state to state. 3rd is likely a no go in most cases...because why wait so fucking long? At some point the fetus becomes viable as a human life.

The court scrapped that in favor of letting the Evangelic states once again block 1st term abortion. This was a mistake and the court should have never started moving backwards on it. Letting Evangelicals legislate this by state is the picture of tyranny of the majority.

If every child was taught a literal picture of the books of
job and revelation from birth (IE evangelical tyranny), we would have les obese scumbag parasites than we do now. Or at least that's my interpretation of the success of Protestant, conservative, Northern Europe conquering the entirety of planet earth with ease for the past 500 years. Maybe I'm wrong and the Muslims, blacks, and Buddhists are actually great despite thousands of years of contributing nothing

[JurisDictum]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If every child was taught a literal picture of the books of
job and revelation from birth (IE evangelical tyranny), we would have les obese scumbag parasites than we do now. Or at least that's my interpretation of the success of Protestant, conservative, Northern Europe conquering the entirety of planet earth with ease for the past 500 years. Maybe I'm wrong and the Muslims, blacks, and Buddhists are actually great despite thousands of years of contributing nothing

Most our success was due to the enlightenment/ having greater scientific development than other creeds. Most the failures of the 3rd world can partially be attributed to them not having a Kant to explain why letting devout Muslims run anything but a mosque is fuckin' stupid.

The anti-science stance of devoted Christians has always been a real problem. And it is the main hindrance to democracy in most of the undeveloped world. Every time democracy comes up -- the fuckin religious zealots take over and turn it into a theocracy...which is why for years we have supported secular dictatorship over Muslim-dominated democracy. There was some brief debate about going the other way on this...but I don't this this post-modern idea about accepting Muslim theocracies is going to last another 10 years.

[JurisDictum]

Here's the thing about Islam...we keep making it popular with our supression of socialist ideas and promotion right-wing secular dictatorships. So the big bad bullies are associated with anti-religious forces. The Muslims use this as an opportunity to be seen as the good moral guys that are just trying to help their own people (against the evil white christian/secular countries).

So we can leave them alone and eventually my belief is that they will have their own enlightenment (because post-modern idea about countries developing their own way is largely bullshit -- people are all the same and societies reflect this). But we got to stop waving our dick in front of their face, controlling oil, propping up phonies and otherwise letting the banking and oil industry run our foreign policy.

Even then it will take time. At first Muslims are the only organized group. Because secular dictatorships clamp down on anything except Muslims. This is all way too long term and chaotic for oil interest to allow...so until that influence is questioned in our own domestic politics, the middle east has no hope.

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Most our success was due to the enlightenment/ having greater scientific development than other creeds. Most the failures of the 3rd world can partially be attributed to them not having a Kant to explain why letting devout Muslims run anything but a mosque is fuckin' stupid.

The anti-science stance of devoted Christians has always been a real problem. And it is the main hindrance to democracy in most of the undeveloped world. Every time democracy comes up -- the fuckin religious zealots take over and turn it into a theocracy...which is why for years we have supported secular dictatorship over Muslim-dominated democracy. There was some brief debate about going the other way on this...but I don't this this post-modern idea about accepting Muslim theocracies is going to last another 10 years.

Islam and Christianity are different. Protestantism's stressing of literacy created the situation allowing the enlightenment. The Catholic Church kept classic history and literature, in addition to Roman culture, Alive in the west. It was also the sole meritocracy in the west, and possibly the world, for most of its history

It's no accident that history played out the way it did. You oppose Christianity at your own peril. I'm not saying you should believe the Bible literally, although it would be an improvement on whores like cash me ousside girl or 99% of rappers, but I am saying one day, when you're in a mine working for a Chinese overlord, you'll be begging for jesus to save you but then it'll be too late

I repeat: the legacy of Rome and the Christian religion created western civ. Without both you wil collapse. You'll still be able to smoke weed wnd play EQ pussy. You just might have to work 40 hours a week and marry a good woman in addition to that. Oh yeah, spoiler alert. Your current purpose free (non)existence might actually be a less happy condition for humanity to live in than one where you have a family, a community, and blondes

Hope this helps!

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here's the thing about Islam...we keep making it popular with our supression of socialist ideas and promotion right-wing secular dictatorships. So the big bad bullies are associated with anti-religious forces. The Muslims use this as an opportunity to be seen as the good moral guys that are just trying to help their own people (against the evil white christian/secular countries).

So we can leave them alone and eventually my belief is that they will have their own enlightenment (because post-modern idea about countries developing their own way is largely bullshit -- people are all the same and societies reflect this). But we got to stop waving our dick in front of their face, controlling oil, propping up phonies and otherwise letting the banking and oil industry run our foreign policy.

Even then it will take time. At first Muslims are the only organized group. Because secular dictatorships clamp down on anything except Muslims. This is all way too long term and chaotic for oil interest to allow...so until that influence is questioned in our own domestic politics, the middle east has no hope.

Dude Islam is popular because of the womb. Give women no rights and they will have 8 kids per woman. Then we have idiots like yourself crying "refugee" and bending over backwards to let them in. Roses are red, violets are blue, Muslims suck, and so do you

[JurisDictum]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Islam and Christianity are different. Protestantism's stressing of literacy created the situation allowing the enlightenment. The Catholic Church kept classic history and literature, in addition to Roman culture, Alive in the west. It was also the sole meritocracy in the west, and possibly the world, for most of its history

It's no accident that history played out the way it did. You oppose Christianity at your own peril. I'm not saying you should believe the Bible literally, although it would be an improvement on whores like cash me ousside girl or 99% of rappers, but I am saying one day, when you're in a mine working for a Chinese overlord, you'll be begging for jesus to save you but then it'll be too late

I repeat: the legacy of Rome and the Christian religion created western civ. Without both you wil collapse. You'll still be able to smoke weed wnd play EQ pussy. You just might have to work 40 hours a week and marry a good woman in addition to that. Oh yeah, spoiler alert. Your current purpose free (non)existence might actually be a less happy condition for humanity to live in than one where you have a family, a community, and blondes

Hope this helps!

Even if that were true. That literacy was only encouraged by Christianity and that there is something really special about Romain culture -- all that shows is at a certain phase in history -- Christianity had the advantage. We have moved waaay past Roman Catholicism or Protestantism in this country. That shit is just virtue signaling at this point in America/Europe.

It is our belief in the scientific method that has got us to this point...the point where our military is stronger than ever but still wants progressively more money so it can continue to dominate the world.

And it will be the same when China surpasses us. They will have conservative dumbass in their country claiming it was something special about Confucianism. But the real reason is their state made math and science education a bigger priority than the United States did. And Confucianism in actuality was the reason they fell behind the west temporarily.

[Wonkie]

you could argue Christianity is better suited to compete for resources than other beliefs

it would be retarded but you could do it

[JurisDictum]

The main unique thing about Christianity -- is that it was permissive about state power. Early on there was the idea about the "Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s; and to God, the things that are God’s..." Throughout the Holy Roman Empire's existence the pope was considered to have authority over spiritual matter alone -- and the king over secular matters...and only briefly were the two ever combined (when the pope basically agreed the prospective king was "Emperor" and did God's work).

This is very different than Buddhism...which generally advocated staying out of state matters and warfare of any kind (even though they never practiced this when their states are at war).

And especially different from Muslims -- who combined both law and order secular matters with religion. There really is no Muslim idea about seperation of church and state.

Separation of church and state is essentially a Christian idea that limits its own authority. Because you can't base a state on moralistic platitudes over empirical evidence.