Most gear dependent non-tank?

[Toxigen]

When I played I'd pick up all the budget alternatives to BiS.

If I did it all over again, I'd pump every single bit of dkp into a monk for full BiS.

Rangers are shit outside lucky raid parses lol. #speedbump life

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by wagorf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Those gears don't make them a completely different class, they are still shit and gimp, so you are completely wrong. The minor dps boost from raid gears don't mean shit when you still lose 50% tanking a dark blue.

Obviously you don't have a ranger in that calibur, yet you try to sound like you have the experience to share.

and wolf form...LOL

I’d link a Magelo but can’t even reread the original post to realize you are threadjacking. Sorry you have a low dps ranger, I’d level up a monk if I were you too. Lemme know if you ever parse 100+ dps on a Vindi.

[cd288]

Is the argument here that rangers are going to compete with other high DPS classes? This is a DSM level argument

(just joking DSM)

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is the argument here that rangers are going to compete with other high DPS classes? This is a DSM level argument

(just joking DSM)

No, it’s dumber than that.

I was responding to the first poster’s question.
People are taking this as a class v class discussion (it’s not).

Paraphrased: “What non-tank class is significantly better when geared over the EC version”

[Jimjam]

Ranger does improve a lot with gear ; with 50% slow and almost 100% haste they are kinda 4 times better than an ungeared one. So big improvement, but still compares unfavourably to monk.

That said, I played my ranger again recently and it felt like they had been heavily stealth nerfed. I was in TT - somewhere my ranger could solo hunter/forager without earthcaller at 55. In my recent visit at 60 with more gear including full epic I had to hammer out due to a fight going unfavourably - something unthinkable before.

Did they just disable AC on rangers or something?!

[Snaggles]

Nah, they have almost 6k hps and hit for up to 135. Certainly doable but tougher than you would expect. Outside a few named in the cycle they are the hardest kills.

[cheeseburgergod]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I’d link a Magelo but can’t even reread the original post to realize you are threadjacking. Sorry you have a low dps ranger, I’d level up a monk if I were you too. Lemme know if you ever parse 100+ dps on a Vindi.

Are you really bragging about trueshotting vindi one time and getting a good parse? Surely this isn't your basis for arguing this question.

Rangers definitely scale up with gear better than some classes but basing an answer to the question on hand around 72 minute discipline is inane. If you are really a "ranger with Ntov weapons", hopefully you're saving that disc cooldown for bumping for your guild, right?

Monks, on the other hand, have literal Luclin-era ratio weapons available on P99 and massively scale in all aspects with the gear available, especially if you include novelty clickies you could compare to BFG. And this is without considering availability of long cooldown disciplines.

[wagorf]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I’d link a Magelo but can’t even reread the original post to realize you are threadjacking. Sorry you have a low dps ranger, I’d level up a monk if I were you too. Lemme know if you ever parse 100+ dps on a Vindi.

Like I said you just like to pull random shit out of your ass for sake of an argument.

With Tov weapons/epic ranger is still shit https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:Paris

Exactly the reason I don't even bother getting bis or buying SS armors even though they are cheap as hell, rangers only exist to look good.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by wagorf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Those gears don't make them a completely different class, they are still shit and gimp, so you are completely wrong. The minor dps boost from raid gears don't mean shit when you still lose 50% tanking a dark blue.

Obviously you don't have a ranger in that calibur, yet you try to sound like you have the experience to share.

and wolf form...LOL

/GU Faydedar in 197s, 42740 @217 | Ripqozko 20239@(104 in 194s) [47.35%] | Nimbleswift 13470@(68 in 197s) [31.52%] | Pkan 6230@(32 in 192s) [14.58%] | Gabab 1261@(8 in 162s) [2.95%] | Lobantik 1052@(6 in 177s) [2.46%] | Sahoni 381@(3 in 110s) [0.89%] | Anemone 107@(4 in 28s) [0.25%]

/GU Jorlleag in 249s, 302k @1214dps --- Cecily 19k @78dps --- Maggott 19k @78dps --- Ripqozko 19k @76dps --- Pryckd 17k @70dps --- Secher 16k @69dps --- Coppernin 16k @66dps --- Briefs 16k @66dps --- Knapsack 15k @59dps --- Edashi 13k @58dps

/GU Hoshkar in 77s, 30k @385dps --- Ripqozko 6k @106dps --- Skew 5k @96dps --- Servicon 5k @84dps --- Knapsack 3k @59dps --- Trazzle 3k @58dps --- Orna 3k @45dps --- Naxi 2k @33dps --- Rikyr 1k @26dps --- Papaj 1k @21dps --- Nexii 0k @28dps

/GU Velketor the Sorcerer in 210s, 189k @899dps --- Dalvens 19k @104dps --- Judass 18k @100dps --- Ripqozko 18k @97dps --- Noctessa 16k @89dps --- Enessae 13k @69dps --- Bageljuice 12k @64dps --- Kozuro 11k @61dps --- Arvan 10k @52dps --- Xyram 8k @47dps --- Niht 8k @40dps

/GU Derakor the Vindicator in 132s, 175k @1326dps --- A Drakkel Dire Wolf 20k @161dps --- Knapsack 16k @121dps --- Ripqozko 15k @118dps --- Idrinkk 13k @109dps --- Rikyr 12k @92dps --- Trazzle 12k @89dps --- Gatitos 11k @87dps --- Logaluger 11k @85dps --- Jenssen 10k @78dps --- Torstein 10k @75dps

Rangers do change with gear and disc. AC is broken on ranger but our dps changes which was the point.

[Ripqozko]

/GU Derakor the Vindicator in 185s, 167k @900 | Davai 17758@(97 in 182s) | Ripqozko 14630@(79 in 183s) | Mattio 13841@(78 in 176s) | Grimswald 11904@(66 in 178s) | Crunchberries 11437@(79 in 144s) | Enessae 11369@(72 in 156s) | Blackduck 11083@(62 in 178s) | Lucyin 10595@(59 in 179s) | Naethyn 10021@(54 in 184s) | Naerron 9964@(73 in 135s) | Zealnier 9567@(52 in 181s) | Snacsize 7977@(43 in 182s) | Pwnasaurus 7884@(79 in 99s) | Gonarer 7877@(43 in 181s) | Karobtik 5661@(48 in 116s)

That's with no disc in riot with cek sword, out here still beating folks

/GU Derakor the Vindicator in 171s, 151k @882 | Junar 18133@(113 in 160s) | Paijun 15708@(96 in 163s) | Inappropriate 15482@(99 in 155s) | Ripqozko 14417@(87 in 164s) | Scather 13672@(88 in 154s) | A storm giant berserker 11778@(92 in 128s) | Mashiara 10812@(79 in 136s) | Jobekn 7893@(47 in 166s) | Carboload 7614@(45 in 167s) | Jener 7359@(44 in 164s) | Blackduck 5259@(44 in 118s) | Dirtydiana 5067@(50 in 101s) | Gonober 4024@(42 in 95s) | Tiras 3381@(21 in 154s) | Flutin 2301@(16 in 142s)

Non disc