Shaman creation

[Danth]

I agree that Ogres are the best starting race for a Shaman. However:

"ogre stun immune stops casting interrupts from frontal attacks."

This is wrong. Ogres will be interrupted from melee push and channeling failures just the same as any other race.

This is a common misconception and I suspect has much to do with why many players seem to overvalue Ogre frontal stun resistance.

Danth

[greatdane]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Anyone who thinks an ogre is best is an imbecile. A slowed mob bashes once every 32 seconds. Half the time they kick instead of bash. Half the time they bash they miss. Half the time they bash, you are between casts anyway. So ogre stun immunity prevents you from 1 interrupt every 4 minutes or so. This is of fairly small value. And you can time your spells around bash if it's really a big concern.

No race has any gamebreaking or overpowered ability, it's all in how you play. All the best shamans on this server are barbarians. I've never seen an ogre or troll soloing anything remotely impressive.

Ah, it's Mr. Ad Hominem with the fairy-tale facts again.

[KefkaPalazzo]

Shamans are a good class if you enjoy buffing your raid.

[isoka]

Originally Posted by godbox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

regen at 60 is useless with topor thats just a straight up fact.
second ogre stun immune stops casting interrupts from frontal attacks. game over ogre wins at min/max from that + having someting like 40 extra starting stats

trolls win because they dont look like downsyndrom humans

This statement is the same than saying a fungi tunic is useless on a 60 shaman with torpor.
You can live without it, but it definitely makes it easier to have a fungi, even with torpor.
How many high level shaman play without regrowth on ? None.

Stun immune is a nice ability, but let's face it, situations where it saves your butt aren't that common. Regen is key for a shaman. Period.

[KefkaPalazzo]

Originally Posted by isoka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This statement is the same than saying a fungi tunic is useless on a 60 shaman with torpor.
You can live without it, but it definitely makes it easier to have a fungi, even with torpor.
How many high level shaman play without regrowth on ? None.

Stun immune is a nice ability, but let's face it, situations where it saves your butt aren't that common. Regen is key for a shaman. Period.

[theaetatus]

Originally Posted by isoka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How many high level shaman play without regrowth on ? None.

I'll wager a considerable number of those lvl 60 shamans would trade that regrowth for stun immunity.

My main on Live was a troll shammy and there were many times I'd have loved to have stun immunity. The extra regen and snare was nice but just not quite as nice.

Still, the choice is obviously between Ogre, Troll and Iksar in the end. Barbarian is the solid 4th best.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by greatdane [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ah, it's Mr. Ad Hominem with the fairy-tale facts again.

Irony

[Scratch&Sniff]

Purple Eye Troll is the only real shaman.

[sykotic]

When grouping, stun immunity really doesn't do much for you though, whereas regen will.

For soloing stun immunity > regen, but a shaman shouldn't be taking hits in a group.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by godbox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

regen at 60 is useless with topor thats just a straight up fact.

How much time do you spend, when you're actively playing your 60 shaman, at 100% hp?

(Pssst. It's a trick question.)