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Earlier, when I referenced libertarianism and the morality of looking after yourself, I wasn't playing devil's advocate: there is a strong argument to be made that relying on institutions (governments, hospitals, etc.) always leaves someone getting screwed over. By that logic, the government should only look after basic rights (eg. life and liberty), and stay out of everything else. Which brings us full circle to the start: what if your actions lead to my loss of life? The classic example of this is freedom of speech: we all agree freedom of speech is nearly universal, until some asshole yells "fire" in a crowded theatre, and people die stampeding out. Then we punish the asshole in spite of their "free speech rights", because they violated someone else's right to life. If someone yelled fire in a theatre and someone you loved died in the stampede, would you want them punished? Now, if someone doesn't get a vaccine, and kills someone you love, same question? I think trying to draw that line reveals the trickiness. If you say "well the vaccine could kill me, yelling won't", you don't really solve the problem, because if the vaccine only has only a 1 in a million chance of death and a 50% chance of saving a life, I'd like to think we'd all agree you're a douchebag for not getting it. But conversely if your chance of saving a life is low, and your risk from the vaccine is high, the reverse must be true. So again, I won't fight you on getting vaccinated; I haven't lived your life, and you clearly have some good reasons. But if we're talking how things should be, I'll always think saving (savable) lives is a good thing we should strive for, and I'll always believe we should rely on evidence and expertise over our guts. Quote:
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Jib that Logan Paul movie looked ... interesting. Don't think I'll be watching it, but fun premise.
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Look, I'll be the first to point out how much better gun violence is all over the world, and then at the same time say "we can't just fix things by getting rid of the guns here" ... because it's true. Whatever your feelings on the 2nd amendment, guns are a part of America, and aren't going anywhere. But surely you agree mass shootings are a bad thing ... so if we can't remove the guns, and we certainly can't remove the freedom ... are you saying "fuck all the victims of mass shootings, they're just doomed", or are you saying you have a better suggestion to fix the problem?
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I dont have a solution but that doesn't mean we go with yours [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
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There are meetings doctors have on the vaccines, that they want ever share with the public. That they know the kids or whoever it is with a low immune system has a chance to paralyze or even death, but that’s the risk there willing to take , because the chances are low.
If they was to share these meetings with the public, what parent with common cents would want to take that chance on there child or loved one getting injured. I’m sure the wacko doctors will chime in on how this is fake news , believe what you want I’ve seen the meetings. | ||
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Some light reading for anyone interested in vaccines and children. Just kidding its a study from the National Institute of Health so its kind of a crappy read with a lot of numbers and statistics. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] | |||
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Darn guns damn anti vaxxers! If they would just cooperate i could continue being an arrogant prick know it all!
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It was really more of a, oh yeah, damn I guess there is no such thing as a solution, type answer.. because there is nothing you can say is more wrong about that solution, than taking away the rights of gun owners except that you just dont value the gun the way you do a child. But that is just your own opinion, the child is the actual killer in this scenario, so its better to remove the child and prevent the bad parenting to start with [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] the real solution: wait for jesus 2 and no more satan vibes | |||
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