Casinos

[zforrestal]

To whom it may concern,
With the recent news on the ban of Casinos, I am deeply saddened. As some of you may know, I am Tookie and I run a very high standard casino. I have been around since Nov. 27th, 2009 running a casino and have never run into a problem with the legitimacy of my casino. The sole reason I played EQ was to provide fun entertainment for everyone through running a casino, now this has been taken away due to the actions of a few "scammers". I fully understand both sides of the scale, and I still disagree on the matter. Antonican Gaming Commission was the 500th p99 guild, with the idea of putting all casinos under 1 reputable name.

I role play my ass off to provide fun, a good experience, to do free giveaways and bring something unique to EQ. So why are the actions of others prohibiting me from being able to provide this? Yet guilds disregard/break GM and player set rules, over and over again but we don't see full guilds getting banned for ruining your experience into the end game raid scene.

In this sense I feel discriminated against, I can't play the game how I'd like because of the actions of others and I'm being punished for it. Same thing when people say "Casinos should be at T2, or Shady because of all the Spam".. it's Rosa Parks all over again... You can just as easily TURN OFF random roll text as it is for me to walk to T2, this is PURE discrimination and I can not justify that. You don't like to gamble then don't otherwise get on with how you like to play the game, and I'll continue to play how I'd like to play.

Gambling at a casino for trusting someone to do an xfer for you that you don't fully trust, is AT YOUR OWN RISK, and that's how casinos should be handled. The GM's shouldn't be concerned with this issue, if you play at a casino and they "scam" you, well take note of it and don't play there again, same goes for people who say they'll do an xfer for you and run away with your stuff. I think you lose more players due to the end game raid scene and how the guilds handle that than you lose to "scammers".

To sum this up, I play EQ to provide this service so people can have some fun without the support of the players, I couldn't do any of the free giveaways or raffles, the things that are a true good service, without running a casino. So I'm asking you to re think your current ban on casinos. I already started and would be willing to be the representative of a reputable Casino guild. I'd really like to continue doing what I do best instead of uninstalling.

[Derubael]

Casino's will never return.

If it was just an issue with scamming and nothing else, Casino's wouldn't be banned. We have our own reasons beyond that for removing them. Suffice it to say we've decided they are gone and won't be coming back.

[zforrestal]

May I ask what these "Numerous issues are" because it seems like it's just a scamming issue that the GM's don't want to deal with.. and I don't blame you not wanting to hear people whining about a casino not paying out. But I can't think of what these "numerous issues" are.I can't see how my casino causes issues.. so how are all casinos causing an issue to warrent a ban on them?




Edit: This is very discriminating still none the less and doesn't seem right.

Re Edit: The end game raid scene causes more issues than any casino ever will...... ever...........

More Edits: Also what is stopping people from announcing they are hosting a casino but NEVER accepting any bets... Is it the action of collecting a bet and paying out thats considered banned or will even announcing it get you banned?

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Casino's will never return.

If it was just an issue with scamming and nothing else, Casino's wouldn't be banned. We have our own reasons beyond that for removing them. Suffice it to say we've decided they are gone and won't be coming back.

So not only do you refuse to give specifics on what is allowed and what isn't, which is akin to congress writing laws that nobody is allowed to read, except for the title, but now you refuse to give the reasons why the law was written in the first place? Awesome transparency there. Are we really at the point where we have too many people playing on the server and so the solution is to do everything in order turn people off?

[Olscratch]

Does that mean you think we're RMTing? You think casinos (and all gamblers? "including, but not limited to, dice rolls, card games, "guessing" games, and any other form of gambling") are RMT'ing based on no evidence and pure suspicion. That's nice.

Cause 5k max bet surrounded by people watching you is super efficient RMT delivery.

How is monitoring all gambling with account suspensions and bans less work for GMs?

[zforrestal]

You have just as many people arguing for the allowance of player run casinos as are opposed... A simple.. "Gamble at your own RISK' rule should be the implement not a Ban... Gamble at your OWN RISK relieves the GM's from having to deal with any issues regarding player run Casinos.. why can't you just say that please...

[Tenlaar]

ITT: casino operators get super mad and demand answers!

Me reading this thread: Discrimination? Lulz. WHAT? ROSA PARKS ALL OVER AGAIN?

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[zforrestal]

Originally Posted by Tenlaar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ITT: casino operators get super mad and demand answers!

Me reading this thread: Discrimination? Lulz. WHAT? ROSA PARKS ALL OVER AGAIN?

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You'd get mad if you were discriminated against too, don't be a bully please.

On that note too... casinos get a Ban.. but they they'll allow a guild inviting erudites only under a certain guild tag being blatantly racist that seems fair.

[Tenlaar]

By the way, thanks for banning casinos guys.

[Orruar]

How are we supposed to use our own judgment on what constitutes gambling (as per Derubael) if we are not told the aspects of gambling that caused them to ban it in the first place (as per Derubael)? The logical incoherence on display here is staggering.