Enchanter OP impact poll

[cd288]

Originally Posted by bubur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A couple suggestions were detected several pages back

I will be the first to break it to you that nerfing channeling and increasing the resist rate of charm will not stop enchanters from charming

You can put some obstacles up but players will not just ditch the whole thing and start being mez and c bots. It is, to me, the biggest observable proof that indeed players do know something, many things, that we didn't know in 1999. 20 years of experience is not going away on this

Tldr; cat is out of the bag. At this point if bothers you so much, the suggestion you should be making is to delete charm from the game

I mean the simple fact of the matter is channeling is apparently not fixable. So unless you nerf channeling then nerfs to anything else are pointless because even if you increased charm break frequency it’s really not a big deal if charm breaks because an Ench can cast through being hit (if they even get hit at all given they may be at max range in certain circumstances) so they can easily stun and mez the mob before they can even put a dent in the Rune shield.

Not to mention the fact that everyone uses clickies to clear the global CD making them able to chain cast instantly thus reducing risk even further. Without a nerf to channeling no other nerf will decrease charm usage. Cue Loramin trumpesque statement “EVERYONE KNOWS clickies weren’t used to clear GCD back in the day”...so we should eliminate that ability altogether right?

[Keebz]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

even if you increased charm break frequency it’s really not a big deal if charm breaks because an Ench can cast through being hit (if they even get hit at all given they may be at max range in certain circumstances) so they can easily stun and mez the mob before they can even put a dent in the Rune shield.

I think that's fine? If it's slightly more classic that's a win imho.

I suspect Enchanter OP-ness largely stems from Charm/Lull/Channeling each being a little too consistent. Even if we can't fix the last one, maybe the first two are addressable.

[DMN]

Half the classes in EQ have some kind of lull. No one has provided a single shred of evidence that anything is off about them on p99.

Half of the classes in EQ have some kind of charm. No one has provided a single shred of evidence that anything is of about p99.

If you want to cross the rubicon in artificially throttling the players/client to make it more classic, know what you are getting into.

This thread should be called.

"nerf people better than me at elf sim"

[Keebz]

People have provided plenty of shreds of evidence, but not up to your standards, which is apparently "thousands of lines" of parses and access to the "source code".

[G13]

Originally Posted by Keebz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People have provided plenty of shreds of evidence, but not up to your standards, which is apparently "thousands of lines" of parses and access to the "source code".

/wave Azxten

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Keebz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think that's fine? If it's slightly more classic that's a win imho.

I suspect Enchanter OP-ness largely stems from Charm/Lull/Channeling each being a little too consistent. Even if we can't fix the last one, maybe the first two are addressable.

But you’re missing the point of what OP wants done. He wants enchanters essentially completely incapable of charming as an EXP method (really what this probably is about is that he doesn’t want Enchanters to be able to break certain loot camps so that he doesn’t have to compete with them). So making it slightly more difficult wouldn’t satisfy him. That’s why this whole conversation is ultimately pointless.

[Vivitron]

Where was it stated they couldn't change channeling? Naively it looks like a server side thing and I don't see any dev comments on the open issue.

[Snortles Chortles]

idk i wiped a few times with a pretty pro enc the other night, might not be as OP as the claims based on my own recent charming experience

[rdfg87]

I didn't make a chanter on Live till Luclin but I was charm soloing all the way back in the day. Does not need nerf.. On live today still u can charm better than P99.

[Izmael]

Lol that reminds me of that one time I took a friend on his cleric to HS west wing to get him some exp, on my 60 enc a couple years ago.

I usually sleepwalk through this place, leveled so many toons there.

Ended up wiping with just two mobs + my pet (not even a good one!) at the trap area (not even a tricky spot!).

Sometimes you just get unlucky, get interrupted / bashed, and your HP's go to zero, and you can't do anything about it. It was so embarassing though.