Approaching peak Orwell

[Danth]

My memory of "1984" was that the worst oppression was mostly directed at the upper middle class and low-end wealthy--basically the people the powerful elites were most concerned with. The rank-and-file citizenry was kept poor, ignorant, and largely powerless but not necessarily all that heavily oppressed in the direct sense. At least that's my admittedly dim memory of a book I read perhaps 25 or 30 years ago and did not particularly care for.

We're in a future all our own. Just about nobody saw the internet coming and the impact of social media and the internet has far exceeded the ability of human cultures to keep pace. Today's troubles will be one of the corrections that must inevitably occur as society tries to catch up. There will be others.

Danth

[Kennie]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't like BLM, but this is an interesting idea. My knee-jerk reaction was also "anti-family? fuck you", but I remembered that the nuclear family as it exists in the United States and much of Europe is cancer. Human beings were never meant to live in tiny households with just their parents and siblings, maybe seeing grandparents and aunts and uncles every couple months or years.

Living in close social proximity to extended family "clans" is much more conducive to human social, emotional, and spiritual happiness and wellbeing, and the nuclear family as it exists for so many people in the US is likely partly responsible for our unparalleled levels of mental illness and economic anxiety.

Your posts are so cringe.

[Castle2.0]

Orwell was largely right about his views in 1984 - so what if he was a "democratic socialist"? The irony is that one of socialism's many flaws is it leads to too much state power - the power needed to do the terrible things you read in 1984.

I'm not sure how he reconciled those views.

Also, it is possible to agree and disagree with the same person on different topics (without "cancelling" them [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]) He is right in 1984 about socialism, he is wrong about his version of socialism he supported.

"It's never been done right. If it were done my way, it would work."

Says every socialist simp and wanna-be / actual dictator, ha.

[Trexller]

@Castle2.0

True blood democratic socialists won't tell you to submit to the state.

The radicals just use the term democratic socialism as a primer to open a door to full on bend-you-over-the-barrel communism.

Its politics, nothing ever means what it says. In order to effect mass change (in especially conservative populations) you must ease it in slowly (yep, i get it), by the time we are bent over the barrel, we won't realize it has happened.

Democracy will not die in darkness, it will die to thunderous applause. even the worst star wars film had 1 good line.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Kennie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your posts are so cringe.

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[Lune]

Originally Posted by Castle2.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Orwell was largely right about his views in 1984 - so what if he was a "democratic socialist"? The irony is that one of socialism's many flaws is it leads to too much state power - the power needed to do the terrible things you read in 1984.

I'm not sure how he reconciled those views.

Also, it is possible to agree and disagree with the same person on different topics (without "cancelling" them [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]) He is right in 1984 about socialism, he is wrong about his version of socialism he supported.

"It's never been done right. If it were done my way, it would work."

Says every socialist simp and wanna-be / actual dictator, ha.

When are you people going to learn that it's less about the form of government and more about culture and values. Capitalism, democratic socialism, fascism, or even communism could all be shitty or great forms of government depending on the people practicing them.

Socialism works quite well in Nordic countries where this a strong sense of civic duty, protestant work ethic, personal responsibility, it works less well in places with high levels of corruption or highly multicultural, fragmented societies (Venezuela, USSR, etc).

Likewise, capitalism is pretty great when it is underlied by a value system that negates some of its inhumane aspects. You see this in the difference between the American idyll of Jeffersonian Democracy vs. Chinese capitalism where they are dumping toxins in baby formula and cutting rice with plastic, although American capitalism has always been pretty shitty but is quickly descending to China levels compared to its apogee in the 1950's.

The ideal system is the one that maximizes prosperity and equity for a given culture, and for the United States it's really anyone's guess which one that is. But when people are talking about wanting things to be more "socialist" I think what they mean is they want a country that is more equitable in terms of equality of opportunity and the standard of living for wageslaves and you really have to be a high-grade piece of shit to be against that just because you are afraid of some Soviet strawman Fox News has shoved in your face.

[Nirgon]

I got a crazy idea, don't live in the shit hole city

[BlackBellamy]

Originally Posted by DMN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

https://abcnews.go.com/US/california...ry?id=71668864

Now being against a racist group like BLM can be qualified as a hate crime.

Oh no! That's not "Peak Orwell". "Peak Orwell" the movement to out-Orwell Orwell that's going around now. Latest example https://bennorton.com/george-orwell-...sh-government/

This guy is arguing Orwell was a traitor because he was opposed to the Soviet Union which heroically fought the Nazis so if you're against the Commies then you're pro-Nazi and therefore Orwell (who was a socialist) is a traitor.

[Bigsham]

what a great pic and sig jif swish

[magnetaress]

I believe we are approaching the Huxlian limit, however, some say it cannot be broken, I believe it can be.