Why do guilds use DKP?

[Littul Jonn]

https://youtu.be/6DGNZnfKYnU

[Phatez]

DKP is an inferior and archaic loot system. Loot list is the way.

[DMN]

I think when a guild is still in its infancy they should use a pure loot council. Once they have a solid bedrock of key classes geared well enough I'd switch over to a suicide sort of system. Attrition is always going to occur and no one wants to join a guild where everyone else on it has inflated DKP. Sure, you might be able to "buy" new additions with free DKP, but then you are just doing a poor imitation of a loot council and potentially annoying members you already have demonstrable need to retain.

[Evia]

Originally Posted by Nexii [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Random on everything would be fine if you could sell loot rights.

I actually really like this idea. It utilizes the games /random system and will give everyone incentive all the time to attend raids.

[Evia]

Originally Posted by Moerne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your assumption here is wrong. The issue is that the rando does NOT work as hard to bring that *one particular mob* down. In a competitive raid environment, that mob doesn't die without people tracking it (which the rando didn't do). That mob doesn't die without DA idols and aggro-clickies to bring the pull in and get it stable (which the rando didn't farm). That mob doesn't die without raid leaders and class leaders stepping up to organize heal chains, tank orders, bump lists, assign train-away roles, etc. (which the rando isn't organizing). That mob might not die without RTE and race line team waiting (which the rando isn't doing). That mob doesn't die without a lot of hours of theory-crafting, and testing of strats on test and P99, practice sessions, etc. (which the rando didn't particpate in).

End game raiding is not just as simple as show up, kill a mob, get some loot.

Great points. I stand corrected.

[Nexii]

Originally Posted by Phatez [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

DKP is an inferior and archaic loot system. Loot list is the way.

Elaborate for those not on Green

[Aadill]

Originally Posted by Nexii [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Elaborate for those not on Green

What's the point? Green is irrelevant.

[Psyborg]

Originally Posted by DMN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

no one wants to join a guild where everyone else on it has inflated DKP.

They will if they want to see endgame content. This is a game where the item you want may only drop once per year for your guild, if that. Longevity needs to be rewarded.

[foxchris509]

The problem isnt dkp its spending thousands of dkp on a single item. Spending months of play time just to get one bis piece is kinda wack. People bidding up other people just to make them go all in on a single piece they've wanted forever. Prices do go down but only if your guild is the one on top getting vulaks every week or kt etc. If not good luck getting anything of value for a decent price.

[Evia]

After reading all of this I personally think DKP needs work, but I think it might still be the best system atm.I agree with all the dkp supporters tho that a compensation of sorts unfortunately does need to be presented in order to motivate the guild members to participate. I don't like bidding with dkp, as fox above me points out. What if every member rolled after every raid kill and highest roll 1-3000 immediately decides if they sell or loot. If they sell, immediately after they say "I sell! Starting bid at _____" and everyone bids with Plat? Would this be more or less fair? Give more or less incentive to raid? Or be more or less complicated than dkp?


As a filthy casual I think I'd rather utilize something like that vs dkp but idk?

I definitely think we should consider alternatives though.