Tracker FTE concessions

[Solist]

Originally Posted by azxten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't know what is more hilarious. The idea of conceding raid mobs in EQ, having cross guild raid rules in EQ for about 10 years now, or the nerd lore about guild timelines. Also, yes, Aftermath and Rampage existed at the same time. I know because I was kicked out of Forsaken right before they merged due to trolling their officers and having a life outside P99.

Raid rules are so cucked. Staff should stop answering all petitions. PVE EQ was only fun when the GMs ignored all petitions and the play nice policy was more of a suggestion than an iron fisted dictate that would get your account banned for a single made up infraction like on P99.

Why do we have ANY raid rules, except respect FTE, and follow the PNP.

Park a raid force at doze, who cares.
Camp your toons at trak, who cares.
Claim tormax's room as a camp and claim him, who cares.

PNP covers every possibility. If a guild wants to sit at yelinak and do nothing for 4 days 'camping it'...go for it. Zero reason for raid rules, they lose yeli if they leave to go elsewhere and someone claims it.

Whole idea of raid rules is arbitrary and outdated. We had no rules on p99 many times, while maintaining PNP. Never have we not respected FTE, except for a 4 week period in VP, once. We had no PNP for a 6 week period in VP, once. Those times were epic but unsustainable.

The period of no rules worked fine, most of velious start had zero raid rules, worked fine.

[azxten]

Originally Posted by Solist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why do we have ANY raid rules, except respect FTE, and follow the PNP.

Because there is always a core of no life losers on P99 that takes raiding way too seriously and monopolizes every raid mob no matter how small it is. Inevitably someone who is actually good at the game shows up and "takes" one of their mobs and they throw a huge hissy fit griefing everyone, kill stealing, etc across the whole server because someone dared "challenge" them. Since they can't actually play the game well they just act like jerks to everyone in any possible situation in game. The GMs get sick of all the petitions from this behavior and while they do suspend and ban the players the said no life losers just immediately create a new character and get power leveled back to max level. They maintain at least a dozen max level characters across multiple logins rotating VPNs to ensure nothing is linked so that they can burn characters being a dick like this and not really be impacted. The GMs eventually realize that they're powerless to stop such pathetic losers from continuing to act like babies and steal mobs in Crushbone from new players given their bans have no effect and so they start to making dramatic statements like, "If you players who are nice and good at the game don't work out some kind of deal with the pathetic no life neck bearded losers to stop this endless petition nightmare we're going to close all raiding down."

And thus.. an agreement and rules are created. The no lifers then abuse the rules to continue to monopolize content and pretend they're actually good players and if anyone challenges them the cycle starts over again and more rules are added.

I used to actually think this was the same group of people for the last 10 years but now I realize it's actually different no life losers who come and go but they're always there for some reason and they're always actually pretty bad at the game and confused time commitment with skill.

[Bardp1999]

Sincerely feel bad for anyone raiding on P99, there's no excuse really.

[AenorVZ]

Originally Posted by azxten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because there is always a core of no life losers on P99 that takes raiding way too seriously and monopolizes every raid mob no matter how small it is. Inevitably someone who is actually good at the game shows up and "takes" one of their mobs and they throw a huge hissy fit griefing everyone, kill stealing, etc across the whole server because someone dared "challenge" them. Since they can't actually play the game well they just act like jerks to everyone in any possible situation in game. The GMs get sick of all the petitions from this behavior and while they do suspend and ban the players the said no life losers just immediately create a new character and get power leveled back to max level. They maintain at least a dozen max level characters across multiple logins rotating VPNs to ensure nothing is linked so that they can burn characters being a dick like this and not really be impacted. The GMs eventually realize that they're powerless to stop such pathetic losers from continuing to act like babies and steal mobs in Crushbone from new players given their bans have no effect and so they start to making dramatic statements like, "If you players who are nice and good at the game don't work out some kind of deal with the pathetic no life neck bearded losers to stop this endless petition nightmare we're going to close all raiding down."

And thus.. an agreement and rules are created. The no lifers then abuse the rules to continue to monopolize content and pretend they're actually good players and if anyone challenges them the cycle starts over again and more rules are added.

I used to actually think this was the same group of people for the last 10 years but now I realize it's actually different no life losers who come and go but they're always there for some reason and they're always actually pretty bad at the game and confused time commitment with skill.

Originally Posted by Chortles Snortles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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[Solist]

No lifers is fine.

No rules is fine. Let people camp wherever. Zero rules.

There is no downside to this. Kittens can go sit 10 people on vulaks spawn and keep it clear for 3 months straight, who cares.

All the raid rules are terrible, always have been. I've been part of them since 2010.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Bardp1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sincerely feel bad for anyone raiding on P99, there's no excuse really.

The only thing cringier than being a P99 raider is being someone who doesn't raid anymore, but still can't stop talking about P99 raiding.

[azxten]

Originally Posted by Solist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No rules is fine. Let people camp wherever. Zero rules..

I'm in agreement but that isn't how the staff feel. I have played on a lot of emulated servers across a dozen games and one thing that is mostly constant is the staff interfering with a heavy hand in game disputes. Classic EQ if you petitioned someone kill stole you or took your camp or whatever pretty much nothing was going to happen. You weren't going to get an answer.

On P99 though bans are handed out like candy for this kind of stuff. It's probably related to the small player base emulated servers have. On Live you had one server GM for 3-5,000 players across an even larger player base that wasn't logged on. On P99 for example there are multiple server GMs, devs, guides, etc for 2 servers now with <1k players and most of those people are playing both servers and they are very active players where they basically make up the playerbase there is a much less significant long tail of offline players.

I've been a game server admin before and resisting the temptation to fuck with your player base is hard. Both good or bad fucking with them it's just hard to keep your hands off because you think you can make things better by interfering. Takes awhile to learn that sometimes it's better to keep your hands off. P99 has catered to an audience now that expects rule lawyering and hand holding from GMs so if they ever went back it would probably dramatically impact the population as all the people who don't like that environment don't play here anymore.

[AenorVZ]

Good points, especially as it applies to staff intervention that impacted the long term health of Red, and how they should consider such intervention in the future on Purple.

[starkind]

we should have a server that is a real elf court room and players can get jury duty if they dont show up to the ban hearings they get suspy for 10 days misdemeaner and the prosecution has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt links provided in discord for actual evidence and up to the gms if they want to do any investigation server side

i would pay to watch this on cable on P99NN

[Tunabros]

Originally Posted by starkind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

we should have a server that is a real elf court room and players can get jury duty if they dont show up to the ban hearings they get suspy for 10 days misdemeaner and the prosecution has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt links provided in discord for actual evidence and up to the gms if they want to do any investigation server side

i would pay to watch this on cable on P99NN

stfu you never raided a second in your entire life