Miscellaneous: Miscellaneous Changes from 2001-2003 Patch Notes

[Dildy]

I have recently discovered many un-classic changes that have likely slipped through the cracks due to using the titanium client. Linked are the patch notes and the changes necessary to make p99 more classic.


https://web.archive.org/web/20030409...e.jsp?id=54707

1. "Kodiaks in the Rathe Mountains should be friendlier to Druids and Rangers." (On p99, they are amiable to druids/rangers, whereas the Kodiaks specifically should be KoS to them as they are to other classes)
2. "A Coerced Iiksar will not be known as A Coerced Iksar." (minor spelling change needed)
3. "Equestrielle the Corrupted will no longer be able to sense and get angry with people all the way on the other side of the zone." (Equestrielle has a very small aggro radius, this needs to be increased dramatically on p99)
4. "Totemic gauntlets, Dull Metallic Gloves, and Black Wolf leg Plates can no longer be worn around the neck." (I've only tested totemic gauntlets, but they cannot be worn around the neck on p99.)
5. "Added Shaman to all small patchwork and tattered pieces." (likely added due to frogloks being introduced, thus this change should be reverted)


https://web.archive.org/web/20030409...e.jsp?id=55077

1. "Bards now receive their first level song at creation." (For p99 classic sake, bards should not receive any spells upon creation.)


https://web.archive.org/web/20020816...e.jsp?id=42300

1. "Added Mortar and Pestle to a Thurgain Merchant; Rubbing Alcohol is now available from a vendor in Thurgadin." (Both of these items are present on a vendor in p99 and should be removed from.)


https://web.archive.org/web/20021016...e.jsp?id=45808

1. Stanos' Pouch has had its charges increased to 20. (This is currently 20 on p99 as well, i'm not sure what the original amount of charges were back on classic.)
2. Crystal Chitin Leggings can now be used by rogues (currently wearable by rogues on p99)
3. Kylong Chestplate can now be used by Rangers, Dwarves, Halflings and Gnomes (currently wearable by ranger, dwarves, halfings, gnomes)
4. Marr's Sustenance should provide the proper effect now (currently gives regeneration on p99, but should have no effect when used; http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=2504 )


https://web.archive.org/web/20021225...e.jsp?id=51535

1. Small Cloth Sandals are no longer wearable by large races. (these should be wearable by large races on p99)
2. Erudites of Prexus now start at the proper location. (where should they start? I was not able to find any information about where, but i'm guessing some other temple, perhaps quellious?)


https://web.archive.org/web/20031217...s.jsp?id=58266

1. Cloth caps will no longer drop off NPCs in Siren's Grotto. (cloth caps should be dropping from SG NPCs on p99, i'm not sure if this is to replace specific items or in addition to their loot table.)


https://web.archive.org/web/20031204...s.jsp?id=59289

1. Protection of the Cabbage, Protection of the Glades and Protection of the Nine will block Temperance, Aegolism and Virtue. (POTG should not block Aegolism from sticking during our timeline)


https://web.archive.org/web/20040213...s.jsp?id=60004

1. The effects on Abram's Axe of the Stoic and Spiroc Wingblade are now Worn to activate, not procs. (It looks like Abram's is a proc, but is spiroc wingblade a clicky? If so, it should be changed to combat proc.)


http://everquest.allakhazam.com/hist...es-2003-2.html

1. Sneak will now work under water. (Does sneak work underwater in p99? I haven't been able to test this yet. If it's working, then it shouldn't, for classic's sake.)


Artelius Lightweaver 60 PAL <Auld Lang Syne>

[Dildy]

Correction: rubbing alcohol is only sold in Cabilis on p99.

[The Grey Witch]

+1 to #3. "Equestrielle the Corrupted will no longer be able to sense and get angry with people all the way on the other side of the zone." (Equestrielle has a very small aggro radius, this needs to be increased dramatically on p99)

She used to aggro even reasonably high level people and chase them all over the place.

[MiRo2]

Originally Posted by Dildy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1. Protection of the Cabbage, Protection of the Glades and Protection of the Nine will block Temperance, Aegolism and Virtue. (POTG should not block Aegolism from sticking during our timeline)

To clarify Aegolism should overwrite PoTG in our timeline. IIRC this change made it so the Aego and PoTG lines blocked each other, so if you had one, the other would not overwrite.

[Dildy]

Wizard and Druid velious Hall of Testing helm should be droppable on p99!

Source: https://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=5123

"its dropable, and yes it is Kael Quest.. Silk cap + 3 gems in kael = circlet of the invoker.. kinda odd becuase all of the other Kael/SS Quests are no drop.. probally an error on verants part"

"Errm if this is one of the wizard Kael quest armors, shouldnt it be nodrop? "

Artelius Longwood

[galach]

good research.

[Nirgon]

Sergeant slate needs big dog assist range too. NPCs having some larger or smaller assist/aggro radius was definitely a thing.

Good changes, esp the bard note one. I had forgotten that one. Starting with str song was op for tunnel alts.

[nilbog]

Originally Posted by Dildy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

2. "A Coerced Iiksar will not be known as A Coerced Iksar." (minor spelling change needed)
3. "Equestrielle the Corrupted will no longer be able to sense and get angry with people all the way on the other side of the zone." (Equestrielle has a very small aggro radius, this needs to be increased dramatically on p99)
5. "Added Shaman to all small patchwork and tattered pieces." (likely added due to frogloks being introduced, thus this change should be reverted)
1. "Added Mortar and Pestle to a Thurgain Merchant; Rubbing Alcohol is now available from a vendor in Thurgadin." (Both of these items are present on a vendor in p99 and should be removed from.)
1. Stanos' Pouch has had its charges increased to 20. (This is currently 20 on p99 as well, i'm not sure what the original amount of charges were back on classic.)
2. Crystal Chitin Leggings can now be used by rogues (currently wearable by rogues on p99)
3. Kylong Chestplate can now be used by Rangers, Dwarves, Halflings and Gnomes (currently wearable by ranger, dwarves, halfings, gnomes)
4. Marr's Sustenance should provide the proper effect now (currently gives regeneration on p99, but should have no effect when used
1. The effects on Abram's Axe of the Stoic and Spiroc Wingblade are now Worn to activate, not procs. (It looks like Abram's is a proc, but is spiroc wingblade a clicky? If so, it should be changed to combat proc.)

All of this is now fixed for next patch, or already fixed.

2. Erudites of Prexus now start at the proper location. (where should they start? I was not able to find any information about where, but i'm guessing some other temple, perhaps quellious?)

I believe this is correct as is. When did players start spawning at their guildmasters? Maybe Prexus wasn't changed until this time?

4. "Totemic gauntlets, Dull Metallic Gloves, and Black Wolf leg Plates can no longer be worn around the neck." (I've only tested totemic gauntlets, but they cannot be worn around the neck on p99.)

Were these neck wearable from release, or something broken prior to this patch? Any more evidence about this?

1. Sneak will now work under water. (Does sneak work underwater in p99? I haven't been able to test this yet. If it's working, then it shouldn't, for classic's sake.)

How did this work prior to this change when the sneak button was pressed?

[Rygar]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How did this work prior to this change when the sneak button was pressed?

There was a system message that would say something to the effect of "you can't sneak underwater". However you could sneak on land and walk into water and remain sneaking.

Since there was no land in kedge, would be impossible to sneak in classic there. I believe then you couldn't fish in kedge either since you had to be on dry land (another system message).

I believe I have log files with the sneak fail and fishing fail messages

Edit: I don't recall classic behavior of zone line sneaking... so uncertain if h/s would drop but maybe just sneak wouldn't? Dunno, maybe was possible in kedge if that could happen

[Rygar]

Here were some of those old system messages, i just found in an old archive I didn't have in the logs:

ID: 12421
You can only sneak on dry land.

Some confirmation here:
https://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5894

Hide works just fine in Kedge. Unfortunately, Sneak doesn't work at all. You get the message, "You can only sneak on dry land." Rogue stealth is completely negated in this zone.

Mention of rogues being able to sneak through Cazic-Thule sewers in era:
https://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5088

All in all, I really liked my time in Cazic-Thule. Learn the zone. As a rogue, sneak/hide to the various camps and ask to join in person instead of over shouts. People are more likely to let you join them when you are already there and haven't brought a train to them.

Some other roguely notes: getting to the gator pools requires a swim down a well. If you're swimming skill is high enough, you can sneak/hide swim to get in and just barely make it before drowning. You cannot however make it back out, as swimming up seems to be slower than swimming down. This usually means turning off sneak inside the well in order to pop out at the top. If you are too low a level, this will aggro the lizzies at the top of the well and you will have to make a run for it. Alternatively, you can get a magical invis or enduring breath for this.

The AoF is also reached through the water. For a rogue, the best way to sneak in is through the long tunnel that leads to the top of his bubble, but you will just frustrate yourself trying to get out that way. To get out, you can sneak out the back door, through the sewers, and swim up a well into the main courtyard. Again, this swim is just a little too long to sneak through and you might have to make a run for it when you pop out of the well.

ID: 157
You must be on dry land to fish.